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RicksNerdLife said:
but rather what will need to be done if that line is crossed.
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I'm going to be deeply cynical and surly for a moment, trust it's not meant to be directed at you, but at the folks with the levers of power.

What line -exactly- needs to be crossed? When can I expect the Big Damn Heroes to get off their asses?

Like, is it snatching citizens off the street in broad daylight and randomly disappearing them? Using the military in US cities with no justification? Unilaterally endangering the entire trade structure of the nation? Being credibly connected to human trafficking, bribes, coercion and all other manner of corruption MULTIPLE TIMES? Is it doing market and political manipulation to make his cronies billions while hollowing out the collective wealth of everyone else? Is it abandoning our allies overseas in ways which will not only make them less safe, but us as well? Is it basically making a solemn promise to do as many war crimes as possible in the name of being a proper macho military?

What fucking line are they waiting for? Does he need to shoot a baby on live TV and eat the corpse? Would that be enough?

I'm sorry, but at this point they are simply cowards. Nobody wants to be the tall blade of grass who "acted too soon" and so they're all going to wait around to see who gets to be first to act too late.

Fucking pissants. Oh NOW they're having discussions because of one speech recapitulating everything the admin has said for years at this point, only they're the targets so NOW it's real. They can fuck all the way off. I have exactly as much faith in the military saving me as the Democrats.
 
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Apologies. I'm just real tired of the "the saviors are coming just as soon as it gets serious enough" while the roof is on fire. I'm done with it. Do the deed or shut the fuck up. I don't want to hear how we might do something down the line, I want to hear "he has been arrested and is awaiting trial". I want past-tense verbs.
 
JakeEkiss said:
Apologies. I'm just real tired of the "the saviors are coming just as soon as it gets serious enough" while the roof is on fire. I'm done with it. Do the deed or shut the fuck up. I don't want to hear how we might do something down the line, I want to hear "he has been arrested and is awaiting trial". I want past-tense verbs.
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Admittedly, a lot of this rhetoric makes me feel bad because I'm also tired of people saying someone should do something. I'm no better, but then it's like should it be me? What should I even do? Why is it on me?

Then people are like just don't watch the news. But I want to be informed. Does being informed actually improve my own quality of life though? I like to think it does but it seems like it's actually just making me spin out. I don't know. It feels like being a passenger in a slow motion car crash that gives you deja vu. You've had it. You know what's coming. But you can't actually do anything.
 
altcunningham said:
Admittedly, a lot of this rhetoric makes me feel bad because I'm also tired of people saying someone should do something. I'm no better, but then it's like should it be me? What should I even do? Why is it on me?

Then people are like just don't watch the news. But I want to be informed. Does being informed actually improve my own quality of life though? I like to think it does but it seems like it's actually just making me spin out. I don't know. It feels like being a passenger in a slow motion car crash that gives you deja vu. You've had it. You know what's coming. But you can't actually do anything.
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Here's my thought on whose responsibility it is:

The people who ASKED to have responsibility.

Like, nobody puts a gun to your head and says "you have to become a 4 star general or die". Nobody was *forced* into becoming a senator.

In fact, it takes years of constant effort to get into those positions. These people WANTED to be in charge. They WANTED to be leaders of men. Well, you've got the gig, do the fucking work. If they wanted to stay home and not make the tough calls they could do that. Plenty, MOST people do. If you volunteer for a position of authority you own it when you do not use that power wisely or justly.

The fact that most progress is made when the public finally gets fed up enough to act is not an indictment of the public for wanting to continue doing their thing and being left alone, it's an indictment of the people who took initiative to say "we will be in charge" and then failed to deliver.
 
JakeEkiss said:
Apologies. I'm just real tired of the "the saviors are coming just as soon as it gets serious enough" while the roof is on fire. I'm done with it. Do the deed or shut the fuck up. I don't want to hear how we might do something down the line, I want to hear "he has been arrested and is awaiting trial". I want past-tense verbs.
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No apologies needed or necessary. I get it, trust me. I really do.
 
I'm sure plenty military folk don't want to follow illegal orders. But what happens when one general (for instance) declines to follow through with an illegal order? Won't he just be replaced? Wouldn't the whole division (or whatever term applies) also have to decline to follow orders?

We're learning so much of our government (and frankly society) depends on essentially an honor system. A President following legislation or court orders. Or a person stopping at a red light. But plenty of people just don't have any honor or integrity. Not sure how you fix it. There need to be real leaders standing up for the rule of law. So many people in leadership positions are just towing the line and trying to keep themselves in the game instead of doing what's right.
 
I like to remind my clients that no matter how annoying a traffic rule (or other major societal “safety” rule) might be, those rules are written in blood. By which I mean: each of those important rules was created as reaction to some string of deaths and/or catastrophes that necessitated it.
For a lot of folks, these rules of society have existed so long that that blood has been washed away, and people only recognize the “inconvenience” of following the rule, not the danger and death that precipitated the rule, and that is a HUGE problem.
 
AceofKnaves said:
I like to remind my clients that no matter how annoying a traffic rule (or other major societal “safety” rule) might be, those rules are written in blood. By which I mean: each of those important rules was created as reaction to some string of deaths and/or catastrophes that necessitated it.
For a lot of folks, these rules of society have existed so long that that blood has been washed away, and people only recognize the “inconvenience” of following the rule, not the danger and death that precipitated the rule, and that is a HUGE problem.
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Exactly. I'm not a professional, as you well know, but I always saw it as borderline sociopathic. Things and people are just hurdles in the way of what I want, and more thought beyond that isn't given.
 
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