Ru1977
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I didn't regret watching Brightburn. It was something I dwelled on quite a bit after watching.
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Disagree BUT what would have made her integral is if she told Clark what the message actually said - as the only ACTUAL native speaker of said alien language. And then Clark chooses to watch the montage of his actual parents rather than his bio parents at the end.
Could go further and have Kara say a version of "People believed that? Humans are stupid" which contributes perhaps to her malaise and mindframe and partying away from humans.
I'm excited to see Supergirl and before I had no reaction. But this convo reminded me of my favorite Kara moment of the CW Supergirl was when she accidentally got drunk and had trouble pronouncing "chocolate" and I thought it was fantastic.
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Been thinking a lot about Jor and Lara’s message, and ultimately I think I might even like that change. Like, one thing that has always been cringe to me is the messianic themes pushed on Superman: which is interesting in itself because as originally conceived, Superman was supposed to be a Moses analogy, not a Jesus analogy. The whole “sent by his powerful alien parents to Do Good for the people of Earth” is . . . eh, it always seemed kinda basic-savior stuff. You know: “well, I have all these crazy powers and could rule the world but my birth parents sent a message saying ‘be good though’ so if authority says so let’s do it!” Not exactly a choice, not exactly free will.
Now admittedly, I grew up on the distant, inhuman Krypton of Byrne, so I don’t have much investment in a “benevolent savior-daddy” Jor-El.
What resonated for me was that in this film, it is Clark’s deliberate choice to be “good”, and Pa Kent makes it clear through dialogue that he and Martha did less corrective moral direction and more letting Clark grow gently into his own person outside of their own expectations (which is the right way to parent in real life, by the way). This Superman is less a product of parental conditioning and more a creation of himself. And nothing is more punk-rock than telling an oppressive set of dead ideologies to fuck off, even in Clark’s gentle way.
And from a personal perspective:
I love my parents, but they definitely tried to indoctrinate me with that whole “you are the best and therefore must be the best, compete and triumph”, and I had to learn to dump that shit to the side and try to be MY best, not THE best, and to try to be a good person without trying to be “better” than anyone else. I still have friction with my folks over this. They had GOOD intentions (and perhaps Lara and Jor did too), but their perception was limited to their worldview and their need to platform their offspring. I’m trying to do better than that, and Clark is really helping to give me a good example.
Now admittedly, I grew up on the distant, inhuman Krypton of Byrne, so I don’t have much investment in a “benevolent savior-daddy” Jor-El.
What resonated for me was that in this film, it is Clark’s deliberate choice to be “good”, and Pa Kent makes it clear through dialogue that he and Martha did less corrective moral direction and more letting Clark grow gently into his own person outside of their own expectations (which is the right way to parent in real life, by the way). This Superman is less a product of parental conditioning and more a creation of himself. And nothing is more punk-rock than telling an oppressive set of dead ideologies to fuck off, even in Clark’s gentle way.
And from a personal perspective:
I love my parents, but they definitely tried to indoctrinate me with that whole “you are the best and therefore must be the best, compete and triumph”, and I had to learn to dump that shit to the side and try to be MY best, not THE best, and to try to be a good person without trying to be “better” than anyone else. I still have friction with my folks over this. They had GOOD intentions (and perhaps Lara and Jor did too), but their perception was limited to their worldview and their need to platform their offspring. I’m trying to do better than that, and Clark is really helping to give me a good example.
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Heh. "Hot mess Supergirl." I was going to say 'Raospringa' but it sounded funnier in my head.
I've only seen Millie Alcock in a couple Game of Thrones episodes, but it was enough to get me excited about her being cast as Supergirl. AND I actually like that she cameoed at the end as a teaser-slash-handoff to her movie.
I'm just really turned off by her being a drunken party girl. I can see how it's a good starting point for her character to grow from, but damn was it a bucket of cold water on my excitement.
Kara, you're supposed to stop train wrecks, not be one.
I've only seen Millie Alcock in a couple Game of Thrones episodes, but it was enough to get me excited about her being cast as Supergirl. AND I actually like that she cameoed at the end as a teaser-slash-handoff to her movie.
I'm just really turned off by her being a drunken party girl. I can see how it's a good starting point for her character to grow from, but damn was it a bucket of cold water on my excitement.
Kara, you're supposed to stop train wrecks, not be one.
joshsquash729
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Oh yeah, the Jor-El stuff struck a nerve for me too. As someone who escaped a rather dangerous parental situation, and has been slowly peeling back the layers on just how deep it went and how normalized it became, I've always worried about becoming like my father. Just like with Clark, there's a definite want to do good, but you wonder how much of that darkness was passed along to you, as well. And even still, amidst the realization, there's still that part of you that wants to think your parent was a good person, despite their flaws, and you want to honor them in a strange way. I'm glad Supes had that realization at the end that his real family was there all along, and they're the ones who instilled the proper values into him. My journey isn't quite as simple, but I'm slowly learning the same lesson, more or less. Family- hell, love in general, be it familial, between friends, romantic, etc.- that's what truly shapes you.
I enjoyed the change, personally; I'm sure it's due in large part to not having any prior connection to Superman, so I enjoyed them switching it up a bit. Then again, the same can be said with what Reeves did with the Waynes in The Batman; I think we often look to our parents as these all-knowing, all-powerful people who can do no wrong, when that's so often not the case, and since morals are such a huge part of any superhero, what's more interesting than them having everything they thought they knew and were taught turn out to be wrong? I think it was a nice little mirror to what Lex was doing too- genuinely thinking he's helping a group of people, but at the suffering of another. Especially for a dying/dead race like the Kryptonians, Clark repopulating would've been the best thing to happen to them, but arguably the worst thing to happen to the people of Earth. A nice little mix of fate and choice- had he been rescued by someone other than the Kents, he very well could still have sided with his birth parents, or if he didn't have the connections that he did. But just like he said, he made the choice- as difficult as it was- to be strong and be good each and every day, despite knowing that he was essentially destined to conquer. Surprisingly heady stuff for such a fun little movie.
That kind of applies to my feelings on Kara, too. Again- no prior opinion, but I like the juxtaposition between them, and again, it shows what having a loving, supporting structure around you can do to your well-being. Not sure how Kara was raised, but it obviously wasn't the same as Kal/Clark, so she didn't get that same optimism. Looking forward to seeing what those sorts of powers are like in less stable hands.
I enjoyed the change, personally; I'm sure it's due in large part to not having any prior connection to Superman, so I enjoyed them switching it up a bit. Then again, the same can be said with what Reeves did with the Waynes in The Batman; I think we often look to our parents as these all-knowing, all-powerful people who can do no wrong, when that's so often not the case, and since morals are such a huge part of any superhero, what's more interesting than them having everything they thought they knew and were taught turn out to be wrong? I think it was a nice little mirror to what Lex was doing too- genuinely thinking he's helping a group of people, but at the suffering of another. Especially for a dying/dead race like the Kryptonians, Clark repopulating would've been the best thing to happen to them, but arguably the worst thing to happen to the people of Earth. A nice little mix of fate and choice- had he been rescued by someone other than the Kents, he very well could still have sided with his birth parents, or if he didn't have the connections that he did. But just like he said, he made the choice- as difficult as it was- to be strong and be good each and every day, despite knowing that he was essentially destined to conquer. Surprisingly heady stuff for such a fun little movie.
That kind of applies to my feelings on Kara, too. Again- no prior opinion, but I like the juxtaposition between them, and again, it shows what having a loving, supporting structure around you can do to your well-being. Not sure how Kara was raised, but it obviously wasn't the same as Kal/Clark, so she didn't get that same optimism. Looking forward to seeing what those sorts of powers are like in less stable hands.
joshsquash729
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I feel like that's the good call. I like what we got of Guy in Superman, but I don't want or need to see him become anything more than the snarky, maybe sometimes caring, side character. I mostly just want some good alien rep. For all its flaws (of which there were many), the GL movie had some really cool alien designs, but did almost nothing with 99% of them. I'd like to see some real characterization for Tomar-Re, Salaak, Kilowog, etc. Obviously the other Lantern Corps too, but I'm sure it'll be a while before we get any of them.
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Yeah, if there is a “team-up Lantern” best for focus in a broader “universe”, it’s definitely John Stewart. I love that the other earth lanterns will be around though.
My understanding is the upcoming Supergirl movie is based on the Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow comics by writer Tom King and artist Bilquis Evely. I did not read them when they first came out but I bought the trade paperback and I thought it was excellent. It was nominated for a Hugo Award and deservedly so. That's one of the main reasons I'm so anxious for the film.
The book is still in print and probably will be forever. I highly recommend it.
The book is still in print and probably will be forever. I highly recommend it.
This is the first I'm hearing about everything from Lanterns on.
I have enough experience to say live-action superhero TV shows aren't for me, but I'll give Lanterns a shot. Teen Titans and Swamp Thing are exciting, too.
Well, that's what you have me and @Ru1977 for.
Clayface sounds like it has a lot potential. It's written by Mike Flanagan and it's going to be directed by James Watkins. Tom Rhys Harries will be playing the lead role.
There have been a lot of different iterations of Clayface in the comics, but the film will allegedly be about the original, Basil Karlo. He's a B movie actor living in Hollywood that uses a substance to try and remain relevant but slowly starts to transform into a monster. It's been described as Body Horror. Everyone who's read the script is really excited about it so we'll see.
Will Batman be in it? I don't know for sure, but I would say no.
Was Lanterns being about John Stewart not already known? He was cast as the lead awhile ago.
The relationship between him and Superman is a bit like Mozart and Salieri - I guess they've always been like that, but this movie made me realize it.
Not sure this is accurate of Lex - he was genuinely trying to help himself with the justification he was helping other people. But we never see him genuinely help a single other person.
The relationship between him and Superman is a bit like Mozart and Salieri - I guess they've always been like that, but this movie made me realize it.
Of course I was kidding. It seems like so much of the stuff we love here (Star Wars, superheroes, cartoons, etc) tend to generate what I think is fake or manufactured outrage among certain groups of people who I consider to be non-fans. The right and "go woke go broke" crowd were praying for a Superman bomb. My spoiler was more or less a spoof on that.
When the show was first announced, it was described like this: "Lanterns follows new recruit John Stewart and Lantern legend Hal Jordan, two intergalactic cops drawn into a dark, Earth-based mystery as they investigate a murder in the American heartland."
This is the first I'm hearing that this is going to be John's story. It's also apparently the first time for the dude interviewing James Gunn in that video.