General Marvel Legends

Enforcer said:
Take the pinless parts from Secret Wars Cap and give it the 20th deco and color. Add it to a line with matte Maximum Spider-Man with a classic head sculpt and hands only, a 97 Wolverine with a comic head, Punisher on the latest body with white boots and gloves, RYV Daredevil with different colored boots and gloves but very classic... make that your evergreen line. It's like printing money.
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I do not understand why they don't evergreen these characters even if it's just Pulse.
 
JakeEkiss said:
I need to revisit that one. I liked it at the time and I feel like it still probably holds up for the vibes it was going for.
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Yeah, it's like a weird mix between kind of serious and kind of goofy. I genuinely think it's the closest film adaptation of Batman we ever got to something with the general tone of Batman TAS.
 
altcunningham said:
I do not understand why they don't evergreen these characters even if it's just Pulse.
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Me either. There must be some sort of marketing feedback that says having such high quality versions of these figures would impact their ability to carry waves/deluxe versions down the line - but I just don't get it. They half assed the very first retro card wave with what was decent at the time, but those same characters with the most recent bodies now would sell through. You string a few waves together like that where every figure is a sell-out, and buy a wave or two of very niche characters with a variant of an A-lister (Modern Cap with a different belt and darker coloring). Between that, the made to order and a smarter selection of deluxe releases (including old BAFs) this line could really pump up the profitability. I just get this sense there are stupid rules they follow stopping this that have no real basis in reality, at least more recently.
 
Even more frustrating when they do something like the DD three pack. The community assured itself we get Elektra in Red, DD will be tweaked, and then it hasn't happened.

Even allowing that DD is in the next Secret Wars wave, that was years ago it first dropped. What the hell.
 
Not having that Elektra in red is a crime. I've still got scrawny-bow-legged Elektra in my display. (Whom I love. But the new buck is so much better.)
 
Enforcer said:
Take the pinless parts from Secret Wars Cap and give it the 20th deco and color. Add it to a line with matte Maximum Spider-Man with a classic head sculpt and hands only, a 97 Wolverine with a comic head, Punisher on the latest body with white boots and gloves, RYV Daredevil with different colored boots and gloves but very classic... make that your evergreen line. It's like printing money.
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You're essentially describing "ultimate" versions which Hasbro isn't very keen on doing.....like, ever. That video game Cap looks great but I personally need the sculpted scales. They might do sculpted scales with the pinless and the butterfly joints next time, but odds are it will lack some other feature that I consider important to Cap. The result is I sit with my 20th anniversary Cap with the holy shield (which is a perfectly good figure) and I keep on waiting.
 
Damien said:
We did. It was called Batman Forever and it is a perfect film. I will fight anyone.
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I keep wanting to like it more than I do. The fact that Jones' Two-Face is essentially trying to match Carrey's Riddler in over-the-top zaniness the whole movie is a big strike against it. If he would have been played more dark and sinister it might have been a good counter. One villain doing Carey's schtick would have been OK, but two of them doing the same thing was too much. The idea of Kilmer playing Batman fascinates me, I wish it would have had a better script.
 
yojoebro82 said:
I keep wanting to like it more than I do. The fact that Jones' Two-Face is essentially trying to match Carrey's Riddler in over-the-top zaniness the whole movie is a big strike against it. If he would have been played more dark and sinister it might have been a good counter. One villain doing Carey's schtick would have been OK, but two of them doing the same thing was too much. The idea of Kilmer playing Batman fascinates me, I wish it would have had a better script.
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Two-Face was my only criticism of the movie even as a 7th or 8th grader. I think he was tuned in to the same camp as the show/ Nicholson Joker. Had he played it like the cartoon Harvey against the manic Riddler. Oh man. And what was the point of sugar and spice? They didn't even do anything. It was all stunt casting even then.

But everything else still works for me. I also remember marking out when they mentioned Metropolis.
 
Enforcer said:
There must be some sort of marketing feedback that says having such high quality versions of these figures would impact their ability to carry waves/deluxe versions down the line - but I just don't get it.
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I think a large part is the moment you say a particular figure will always be in rotation a portion of the fanbase immediately moves to "oh, well I'll buy it when I have money then" and the reality then becomes you end up warehousing a lot of figures that move as though they're peg warmers even though they're mainline characters. There's also mold use for other figures which is a factor in at least some of them.

Like, there's practical and marketing reasons not to do it so I get it, but also I agree there should probably b a classic version of the top 4-5 characters every couple of years.
 
yojoebro82 said:
I keep wanting to like it more than I do. The fact that Jones' Two-Face is essentially trying to match Carrey's Riddler in over-the-top zaniness the whole movie is a big strike against it. If he would have been played more dark and sinister it might have been a good counter. One villain doing Carey's schtick would have been OK, but two of them doing the same thing was too much. The idea of Kilmer playing Batman fascinates me, I wish it would have had a better script.
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All of this.
I don’t dislike BF and it’s my wife’s favorite. Buuuuuuuuuuut they fundamentally misunderstood Two-Face, who I consider to be one of the few *essential to the mythology* Bat-characters, along with the Joker, Commissioner Gordon, Alfred Pennyworth and Batman himself. Jones was even a great casting choice, and it did not get the fulfillment it deserved. Also: tech-baron Riddler is so of-that-present-moment and is even more hollow now than it was then. Also also: angsty-adult-teen Robin is not-great: Robin becoming Robin out of puberty just seems weird. That said: the creepy-stalker, steal-your-life-and-also-in-love-with-you Riddler thing is *great*. When he shows up cosplaying Val Kilmer’s Bruce Wayne down to the mole? Creepy genius, especially since it is kinda downplayed. There is a very scary movie about duality and identity somewhere in there, buried under all the silliness. Wish it could have shined more, and wish so much of the film wasn’t dedicated to Carey’s cocaine binge. Cast an actual young teen as Robin, cut the wacky “brain drain” tech nonsense, play Two-Face straight and Riddler somewhat more contained, and they really would have been onto something. As it stands, it’s a fun movie with wild design aesthetics and some cool bits, and arguably the best *Bruce Wayne* portrayal in any film. When the doors to his office close and he totally drops the “fumbling rich guy” act and goes dead-serious before dropping in that crazy luge chair: perfect.
 
JakeEkiss said:
I think a large part is the moment you say a particular figure will always be in rotation a portion of the fanbase immediately moves to "oh, well I'll buy it when I have money then" and the reality then becomes you end up warehousing a lot of figures that move as though they're peg warmers even though they're mainline characters. There's also mold use for other figures which is a factor in at least some of them.

Like, there's practical and marketing reasons not to do it so I get it, but also I agree there should probably b a classic version of the top 4-5 characters every couple of years.
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Yeah, even in artist alley or sitting at my friend's bakery stand, if you don't make it limited or put a timer on it, money just walks eternally.
 
I find it funny that Tommy Lee Jones openly hated Jim Carey for his supposed buffoonery (what likely got him the job in the first place) as the Riddler. Meanwhile Jones is doing his best psychotic Cesar Romero impression for most of his scenes.
 
altcunningham said:
Yeah, even in artist alley or sitting at my friend's bakery stand, if you don't make it limited or put a timer on it, money just walks eternally.
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Exactly. It's unfortunate but true. Basic customer psychology. For indie art at cons you can get some benefit to the fact that any individual customer can't be sure you'll return to that show, but I've definitely seen people ask "are you local" as a way to see if they can not spend money on you then because "you'll be around at the next show, right?".

Well no, not if I can't afford to keep doing shows!
 
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