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Random Observations and ?s Re: Older Marvel Legends
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I would argue that there's been a few boxed sets and two-packs that I fully expected to sell poorly and yet were still made. Basically anything that's ever been Amazon exclusive, for starters.
They did a boxed set where the 'headline' character was probably Stryfe. I love Stryfe. But even as a fan of '90s X-Men, Stryfe is barely a C-list villain. I don't have definitive opinions here - I could definitely be wrong. I just wonder what the relationship with these characters really is, right? Is the point of the BAF to sell the wave and get you to buy extra figures? If so --- then clearly they think Titus is good enough to do that, which would imply he's good enough to sell as a Fan Channel on his own.
If the idea is that the -wave- is so good that it sells the lame-ass nobody BAF character, then why put a nobody like Vance Astro in the wave? Surely no one is like 'fuck, I GOTTA get Vance Astro and the second of third iteration of movie Drax -- so I guess I get a free Titus!"
No way on earth Justice and the least-known version of Namor are sales powerhouses enough to get you to just 'end up' with Void. Surely the idea is that you WANT Void, so you might grab that Namor or Justice to finish him off. Am I wrong here?
I'm just struggling to see which direction we're supposed to expect that BAFs work. Are they so popular they sell a wave, or so D-list that the wave sells them? I always assumed it was supposed to be the former, where the BAF is what invests you in getting extra figures you might skip. Hell, people here (and in the Fwoosh days) defended the BAF concept by saying it's how we get the C- and D-list regular-size figures; by slotting them into BAF waves so people will have to buy them.
So yeah, if that is true, then BAFS already sell themselves and we're never going to get one that Hasbro -doesn't- think would be popular enough to drive sales anyway. Hence, they don't need to exist and can be just deluxe fan channel releases.
I swear I'm not arguing -- just thinking aloud, maybe.
Oh, I do give them the credit of mostly knowing which way the wind blows. Doesn't mean every decision is a good one. And, as you said, we're already seeing a seemingly drastic drop in BAF waves. So maybe I'm not too off-base with them not really being necessary or useful anymore. I'd love to know what the internal idea of what needs to be a BAF is, or even what the internal idea of what the concept is -for- is.
I think we're well past that. We're not getting away from the fact that, no matter what, they are going to find ways to balance the scales in their favor. If the BAF stays, it's going to be at the cost of paint, new sculpts, accessories, or some combination of the three. If it came to it, and we had no choice in the matter but to lose -something-, I'd rather lose the 'free figure if I buy an entire wave, which I'm not going to do anyway' rather than things actually important to the characters I -do- want to buy.
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Regarding the diminished continuation or end of the BAF wave concept: If I get to go SDCC this year, I'll ask our Hasbro guys at the booth and if I get the chance - bring it up at panel, although they have conveniently "run out of time" for questions the past few years.
I would suggest anybody going to do the same.
Influencers won't ask them, so it's up to us.
We may not get a definitive answer, but it's definitely worth asking.
I would suggest anybody going to do the same.
Influencers won't ask them, so it's up to us.
We may not get a definitive answer, but it's definitely worth asking.
The exact same sets came to my mind.
I think Namor and Justice are far more popular than Void.
I think they started as the former and transitioned into the latter. It also depends on the wave and the BAF. I think a Stegron BAF would move units for a weak Spider-Man wave. Same with Armor for the X-Men.
If they retired BAFs in favor of single-carded Fan Channel releases and box sets tomorrow, I'd be fine with it.
Unfortunately, I doubt you'd get a straight answer from Hasbro about whether the BAF model allows them to make characters who wouldn't see release otherwise.
Chooch555
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Having a desirable BAF certainly helps, but regardless of who it is I'm tempted to buy an extra figure or two to have a complete figure. They're banking on compulsion as much as selection.
I think if a number of people's Big Dude wants were to get BAF'd - Executioner, Attuma, M'Baku, Blastaar, to name four - those waves would do fantastic.
In fact, now I'm a little mad at Hasbro on all of your behalfs for not doing those characters as BAFs for decades. I'd probably buy them all, but I only really want Executioner.
In fact, now I'm a little mad at Hasbro on all of your behalfs for not doing those characters as BAFs for decades. I'd probably buy them all, but I only really want Executioner.
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Go ahead and add an Annihilus redo to that since the DST one went kaput.
I think people would be furious if Executioner were a BAF. He should be single-carded after all this time.
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They all should be single releases after all this time. Carded, boxed, deluxe, fan channel, it doesn't matter. Just get them done.
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Just give us a damn Bring on the Bad Guys Wave II and some multi-packs already and wipe out a lot of our most wanted so we can all move on:
Attuma
Nebula
Exodus
Madcap
Baron Mordo
Gladiator (Potter)
BAF M'Baku
Skurge/Enchantress 2-pack
Wizard & Trapster 2-pack
Steve Cap vs Diamondback & Death Adder 3-pack
Bucky Cap vs. Asp and Copperhead 3-pack
Sam Cap vs. Anaconda & Sidewinder 3-pack
Made-to-Order Goliath (Eric Josten) & throw in classic fin helmet Moonstone
Since Deathbird is rumored, I didn't include her.
Attuma
Nebula
Exodus
Madcap
Baron Mordo
Gladiator (Potter)
BAF M'Baku
Skurge/Enchantress 2-pack
Wizard & Trapster 2-pack
Steve Cap vs Diamondback & Death Adder 3-pack
Bucky Cap vs. Asp and Copperhead 3-pack
Sam Cap vs. Anaconda & Sidewinder 3-pack
Made-to-Order Goliath (Eric Josten) & throw in classic fin helmet Moonstone
Since Deathbird is rumored, I didn't include her.
I was gonna say that's a great line-up but you forgot Deathbird. 
I'd switch out one of the guys for classic Moonstone (or Meteorite!), but that's a good line-up.
Wouldn't people be pissed at a Skurge/Amora two-pack? After nine years having to rebuy her just to get him? I already have two of her - I don't need a third, even if she'd be an improvement (big on the if).
I'd switch out one of the guys for classic Moonstone (or Meteorite!), but that's a good line-up.Wouldn't people be pissed at a Skurge/Amora two-pack? After nine years having to rebuy her just to get him? I already have two of her - I don't need a third, even if she'd be an improvement (big on the if).
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Good list, but suffers from a fatal lack of DRACULA.
Otherwise, yes please.
Otherwise, yes please.
I’d happily take a new Enchantress if it meant finally getting a first Executioner.I was gonna say that's a great line-up but you forgot Deathbird.
Wouldn't people be pissed at a Skurge/Amora two-pack? After nine years having to rebuy her just to get him? I already have two of her - I don't need a third, even if she'd be an improvement (big on the if).
I should clarify that I'd gladly take Executioner in a two-pack with Enchantress. She's had a ton of figures, none of them good.
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Yeah my Enchantress has the most rubbery knees of any figure I own and the fact is not good.