Mattel DC Figures

My thoughts exactly. I was secretly blown away by their MOTU movie stuff. I'm quietly moving into "cautiously optimistic" territory.

I can't wait to have my heart broken again.
Same. Truly my only "meh" about their "kids" line is no ab mobility (or so it appears). If these are their cheap ones, I'm cautiously optimistic I might actually get a goddamned DC line that does what I want it to do. If they can pull it off I might do something I've never done since I started collecting late in life and divest in my entire McFarlane collection to make space. Of course this being Mattel, I will WAIT AND SEE and expect to be disappointed.
 
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Some of you have been saying/inferring this for a while now, but I’ve come to the almost inescapable conclusion lately that the corporate entity that controls DC doesn’t give a shit about the adult collector market in regards to merchandise. Action figures and otherwise. Always looking for a better deal.

On the grand scale, we don’t have a lot of numbers, and are perpetually unsatisfied. Perhaps unsatisfiable. DC fans seem to be a herd of feral cats. The whole Snyder vs Gunn thing makes me sad. They’re certainly cool with each other. Their fans, not so much.

Perhaps this time will be different. Mattel using the WWE approach might be able to coalesce a large number of fans behind it. I hope it works out. But at almost retirement age, I think it’s probably too late for me to really participate. Certainly the WWE license has its own difficulties, but longevity isn’t one of them. And that’s what I’ve wanted since 2000 when I started picking up DCD figures. Mattel has used the WWE as its boys aisle flagship since 2010. Fifteen years in one direction. Could be amazing for those of you with a long view.
 
but I’ve come to the almost inescapable conclusion lately that the corporate entity that controls DC doesn’t give a shit about the adult collector market in regards to merchandise.
WB? I think they care as much as they care about literally anything; someone tell us what will make us money, and then do that thing. If they believe there's money in collector product, they'll invest in making collector product. Doesn't mean they'll do a good job at it - but that's largely subjective anyway. Hell, there's still a huge divide in the fanbase on whether or not McFarlane is doing/did a good job.


I'm cautiously optimistic I might actually get a goddamned DC line that does what I want it to do.

One thing I have heard from a source I trust is that several important people at Mattel are, exact words, "actively aware" of the desire among collectors for what they're calling a Marvel Legends-adjacent DC toyline. There's a lot of politics at work there, and people that don't want Mattel's stuff to be seen as second-fiddle, or ancillary product, or whatever. And you'll never catch them talking about ML publicly. But they are aware that ML kind of won the 'superhero action figure longevity' battle and they seem to know they need to mirror that somehow and make something compatible to bring in fans of that style of figure.

Not a guarantee it will happen. But a huge change in attitude from McFarlane's "I don't care, I do 7" stuff" thought process. At least if what I'm hearing is true.
 
WB? I think they care as much as they care about literally anything; someone tell us what will make us money, and then do that thing. If they believe there's money in collector product, they'll invest in making collector product. Doesn't mean they'll do a good job at it - but that's largely subjective anyway. Hell, there's still a huge divide in the fanbase on whether or not McFarlane is doing/did a good job.




One thing I have heard from a source I trust is that several important people at Mattel are, exact words, "actively aware" of the desire among collectors for what they're calling a Marvel Legends-adjacent DC toyline. There's a lot of politics at work there, and people that don't want Mattel's stuff to be seen as second-fiddle, or ancillary product, or whatever. And you'll never catch them talking about ML publicly. But they are aware that ML kind of won the 'superhero action figure longevity' battle and they seem to know they need to mirror that somehow and make something compatible to bring in fans of that style of figure.

Not a guarantee it will happen. But a huge change in attitude from McFarlane's "I don't care, I do 7" stuff" thought process. At least if what I'm hearing is true.
I think they'd have to be crazy to not be aware that ML won the decades of success model for superhero action figures for adult collectors but also be crazy to be like "yeah, the other guys do it right, let's copy them" so this would make sense. I also don't think the average executive is very smart, so for all we know they'll do them Masterverse scale with that weird blocky hip articulation thing old school Multiverse did and we'll all be miserable again. But like, looking at those kids' line figures, they... kinda look like half-assed legends? The torso articulation is shit but they even have butterfly joints. On the KIDS line. I'm curious.

But as with all things corporate, I am prepared for disappointment.
 
One thing I have heard from a source I trust is that several important people at Mattel are, exact words, "actively aware" of the desire among collectors for what they're calling a Marvel Legends-adjacent DC toyline. There's a lot of politics at work there, and people that don't want Mattel's stuff to be seen as second-fiddle, or ancillary product, or whatever. And you'll never catch them talking about ML publicly. But they are aware that ML kind of won the 'superhero action figure longevity' battle and they seem to know they need to mirror that somehow and make something compatible to bring in fans of that style of figure.
If Mattel’s objective is anything other than to create something that’s at least adjacent to Marvel Legends, this whole thing is a huge waste of time, money, and manpower. Forget ego, forget shelf space on the boys toy aisle. They may as well let Todd keep the license.
 
kinda look like half-assed legends? The torso articulation is shit but they even have butterfly joints. On the KIDS line. I'm curious.
I don't know what you're looking at, but I'm 99.9% sure those do not have butterfly joints. And they also don't have ankle joints, in case you didn't see that.


I am prepared for disappointment.
That is my advice whenever dealing with Mattel. There are some DEEPLY stupid people there.


If Mattel’s objective is anything other than to create something that’s at least adjacent to Marvel Legends, this whole thing is a huge waste of time, money, and manpower. Forget ego, forget shelf space on the boys toy aisle. They may as well let Todd keep the license.
As above. Deeply. Stupid. People. And they're often the ones making decisions.
That's why it always feels like Mattel makes 1 stupid decision for every 2 good decisions. It's a constant battle over there between people that actually know what people want, and people with all kinds of other 'ideas' about how things need to be (whether for marketing, for IP reasons, for financial reasons, for trademark reasons, or just for 'I contributed!' gold star on the forehead reasons).

Even if this new line does what people largely want and expect, there's GOING to be decisions that anger or confuse collectors. Because there are just going to continue to be people in decision-making roles at Mattel that are fucking dumb and GET to have a say no matter what. All we can hope is that enough people in upper level positions, as I've heard, have a pretty good bead on what collectors want to see and are fairly desperate for the new DC line to be -their- Marvel Legends. Maybe pure greed will give us a pretty good DC line.
 
I don't know what you're looking at, but I'm 99.9% sure those do not have butterfly joints. And they also don't have ankle joints, in case you didn't see that.
It was from a different photo I saw yesterday - someone was raging about the lack of ab crunch on Robin but it looked like distinct butterfly joints on him. I of course can't find which of the 47,000 toy blogs that popped up in my feed that had the photo though.
 
One thing I have heard from a source I trust is that several important people at Mattel are, exact words, "actively aware" of the desire among collectors for what they're calling a Marvel Legends-adjacent DC toyline.
I think that was also true way back in 2008 and what directly led to the DC Universe Classics line at that time.

At that time, I think that DCUC gave a lot of us exactly what we wanted. It had a good run. I still have every one of those figures and they are still the majority of what I choose to display for my DC Collection. Are they perfect? Of course not. But neither is Marvel Legends and it's still easily my favorite action figure line. Things went south for Mattel when they rebranded to DC Multiverse and started doing a lot more live action figures which were admittedly quite poor. I've never been a movie figure guy, so it wasn't my thing anymore at that point anyway.

Many of my McF purchases have never even been opened because quite frankly I personally feel that they generally tend to look better in the box than outside of it with some exceptions. The crazy long legs, diapers and oversized hands aren't necessarily as obviously problematic within the package.

I'm not basing any opinions on new Mattel product based on anything shown for a $12 kids line. We likely won't see any representation from the new Collector's line until the fall. I'll continue to be cautiously optimistic. Even if I hate their new product I already have 25 years of DC figures from DC Direct / DC Collectibles, Mattel and McFarlane so I'm not sweating it. It's going to be rare that a character that will get made by any company that I don't already have some representation of from either DCD/DCC, Mattel or McF from the past quarter century. At this point in my collecting journey I'm primarily only interested in new characters that I don't already have on my shelf.
 
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Minimally the marketing folks are targeting Legends with that tagline.
That was my immediate thought as well. It was definitely an attempt to have collector's think of ML, and imply that this will be on that level...regardless of whether or not that actually winds up being the case.
 
The parent company absolutely does not give a shit beyond what the deal looks like on a balance sheet. That's true of Warner, Disney, Paramount, etc. Your best bet is to hope that whoever gets put in charge of the line is actually passionate about it and wants to make a good product and not just please the budget office. I think Legends has that going for it. I think DC even does to a point with McFarlane, but Todd does have some preferences that a lot of people don't like, but at least he has his reasons beyond "It's cheaper this way." Hopefully DC gets that with Mattel and isn't just bringing someone over from the Barbie team who doesn't give a shit about action figures.
 
divest in my entire McFarlane collection
The single smartest decision any collector can make is to sell all of their McFarlane figures.
That's why it always feels like Mattel makes 1 stupid decision for every 2 good decisions. It's a constant battle over there between people that actually know what people want, and people with all kinds of other 'ideas' about how things need to be (whether for marketing, for IP reasons, for financial reasons, for trademark reasons, or just for 'I contributed!' gold star on the forehead reasons).
The more I hear about the executive leadership at Mattel, the more I think it's a fucking miracle that Marvel Legends are as good as they are.
 
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