Action Force and Valaverse

altcunningham said:
I don't really know either. I mean, I've heard of Vonner, but I don't think I attribute anything to him.
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There's a reason for that. Vonner's biggest claim to fame is STILL that he worked on Marvel Legends in the early 2000s. That's it. He's done nothing of value since then in the industry. I have no bad feelings about Vonner at all, but I just also don't feel like throwing his name around as proof that you're making a good product has any value at all, or tells the audience what you want it to be telling them. To me it just says "we couldn't find anyone else to run his, and Vonner has no problem attaching his name to something."


thewyldman said:
Bobby isn’t one to miss out on self promotion, but Bobby has had a pretty adamant history of talking about how people that don’t know what they are doing launching toy lines because it leads to problems (which can hurt all adult collector lines).
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My only argument in that regard is that Bobby presents himself as this font of knowledge in the toy industry, but all of his criticisms of other creators, even if they aren't inappropriate for him to make publicly, are the same criticisms tons of us NOT making toys for a living were making. So he's not even really dishing that 'deep insider' shit while he acts like he's saying things only he and the real insiders could know. It's.. grating, I guess is a good word for it.
 
Damien said:
There's a reason for that. Vonner's biggest claim to fame is STILL that he worked on Marvel Legends in the early 2000s. That's it. He's done nothing of value since then in the industry. I have no bad feelings about Vonner at all, but I just also don't feel like throwing his name around as proof that you're making a good product has any value at all, or tells the audience what you want it to be telling them. To me it just says "we couldn't find anyone else to run his, and Vonner has no problem attaching his name to something."
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He did a Batman that had everyone excited, right? Like his version of what a legends Batman should be or something.
 
Damien said:
There's a reason for that. Vonner's biggest claim to fame is STILL that he worked on Marvel Legends in the early 2000s. That's it. He's done nothing of value since then in the industry. I have no bad feelings about Vonner at all, but I just also don't feel like throwing his name around as proof that you're making a good product has any value at all, or tells the audience what you want it to be telling them. To me it just says "we couldn't find anyone else to run his, and Vonner has no problem attaching his name to something."
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But......but.....that unreleased Batman, though!
altcunningham said:
He did a Batman that had everyone excited, right? Like his version of what a legends Batman should be or something.
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Yeah, this one :ROFLMAO:
 
altcunningham said:
Was it a legit Mattel effort or just a custom?
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I believe they were resins that Gentle Giant worked up for him.

And they looked great, for sure. But it also never happened and (not that you did this) it gets SO tiresome hearing that Vonner is great because of two Batman figures that no company ever bothered to actually make. And the argument is always 'if Vonner is let loose, he'll give us something amazing.' - but Vonner is NEVER let loose. He doesn't seem to have any desire to run his own toy company, and he keeps partnering with dipshits that make bad toys which Vonner then gets to say he didn't directly design or engineer - he was just a consulting kind of guy. So he gets total plausible deniability on every failure in his entire career, and never has to answer for why the lack of successes.

Not even saying he COULDN'T do all these amazing things. Just that he -hasn't-. And at this point we have no reason to accept that his name has any weight in the industry at all.
 
I finally got around to opening my Valaverse stuff and it's all cool. Notably, the advert inside that showed off some of their clothing, including thongs. One of their thongs features bloody Pandora and says "Bloody Good Time". I wonder how many of these sell. No hate, I like that small companies like Vala have the guts to do whatever they want since they're not public like those Hasbro/Mattel sissies. But I do find it funny.

"Babe, I'm in a Swarm kinda mood, wanna wear your Swarm panties tonight?"
 
altcunningham said:
He did a Batman that had everyone excited, right? Like his version of what a legends Batman should be or something.
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I wasn't the least bit impressed with those Batman customs, and honestly, that's all they are until someone produces them. They may have been scratch built by Gentle Giant, but still customs.

I saw better ACTUAL customs using TBML and HML figure bases than those 2 figures.
 
At the time I saw someone praising them, my reaction was we'd already moved past that with some lines. But that's all I really know him for. I didn't even know he worked on Legends until this thread.
 
altcunningham said:
At the time I saw someone praising them, my reaction was we'd already moved past that with some lines. But that's all I really know him for. I didn't even know he worked on Legends until this thread.
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The original Toy Biz Marvel Legends figures used to use employee likenesses on a lot of the figures. Case in point, sculptor Phil Ramirez is Gambit. Jesse Falcon is the unmasked Dr. Doom, I believe. Dave Vonner was War Machine.
 
I had a decent run of the MU until it really went to shit when Bobby got involved. I kid, I think that was mostly due to Hasbro losing interest and cutting the budget.
 
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