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And today we get pieces of the Constitution (mainly those that relate to how much of what Donnie is doing is illegal) missing from the official website. 'Coding error', they say.
 
I don't worry too much about what's in the Constitution. It's not like Republican voters can read anyway.
 
I know someone who is working on a project with the LOC that started pre-Trump and they are having... problems, internally.
 
Damien said:
I don't worry too much about what's in the Constitution. It's not like Republican voters can read anyway.
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But they all carry one in their pocket with the Second Amendment highlighted! Seriously though, I think this line of thinking is dangerous. We've gone over it before, but painting a group with a broad brush never seems to work out. I get the frustration, but I firmly believe we need to build bridges if we want to turn things around.
 
Chooch555 said:
But they all carry one in their pocket with the Second Amendment highlighted! Seriously though, I think this line of thinking is dangerous. We've gone over it before, but painting a group with a broad brush never seems to work out. I get the frustration, but I firmly believe we need to build bridges if we want to turn things around.
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To be clear: A) I was kidding. B) I have no interest in building bridges with people that believe in sending anyone, citizen or otherwise, to foreign torture prisons. Honestly, I have no interest in building bridges with people that knowingly and willingly elect a rapist as their president. I don't have to paint anyone with a brush they haven't already happily used on themselves. If you write 'Neo-Nazi' on your forehead, I am more than willing to just believe you and treat you accordingly.
 
Agreed with you both. Tip toeing doesn't accomplish anything with people that are just too far gone. When I was back visiting my Trump supporter parents we had to hash it out early and then agree to talk about other things the rest of the time. There's no turning them around. I have to believe there are people in the 10s of millions that voted Trump that can have a reasonable discussion though. I hope we can find them before it's too late.
 
Individually, *some* people *may* be persuadable. I stress *individually*.

But as a “body politic”? Nope. Compromise and “negotiation” have been proven failures again and again.

In spirit, I absolutely agree we should try to get people to come back over to the “good” side. But practically speaking: they are the enemy. And we need to treat them like the enemy.
 
AceofKnaves said:
Individually, *some* people *may* be persuadable. I stress *individually*.

But as a “body politic”? Nope. Compromise and “negotiation” have been proven failures again and again.

In spirit, I absolutely agree we should try to get people to come back over to the “good” side. But practically speaking: they are the enemy. And we need to treat them like the enemy.
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Here's the problem as I've found it to be; You can actually sometimes have a completely reasonable conversation with a Trump supporter, discuss where they have good points and where they're wrong, and even get them to agree about the more severe stuff like not sending people to torture prisons and allowing women the right to not die of ectopic pregnancies. The easy lay-ups, to use some type of sports euphemism. Soccer, maybe?
You can walk away really thinking you got through to them. But the second the get back into their echo chamber, all the progress you made is wiped out. It wouldn't be enough to talk to them. You'd literally have to REMOVE them from the majority of the people they know, and put child lock on the TV so they can't watch Fox. It's, quite honestly, fucking hopeless to reach 99% of these people.
 
Ru1977 said:
Building bridges is cool, but they gotta cross it.
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Yep. Building bridges was Biden's thing (and Obama before him). We saw how that worked out.

I have a lot more faith that a statistically significant percentage of Trump supporters will stop voting altogether. I hate rooting for my fellow Americans to sit out of their civic duty, but it's that or I live under fascism for the rest of my life. Low-info voters: for the good of the republic, stay the fuck home.
Chooch555 said:
At one of the protests I saw a woman holding up a sign that said "I got my dad to stop watching Fox News." Crazy that such a seemingly small thing is potentially so incredibly impactful.
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That's where I'm at with my mom. I'm doing my best, but I accept that it'll be nearly impossible to break through.
 
TheSameIdiot said:
I hate rooting for my fellow Americans to sit out of their civic duty, but it's that or I live under fascism for the rest of my life. Low-info voters: for the good of the republic, stay the fuck home.
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Kind of edging around on why democracy doesn't work.
 
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