U.S. Politics

I, who follow every aspect of the political landscape, big tech, and healthcare to look for patterns and basically am the worst person to talk to ever because I'm usually a week ahead of the news... have hit the point where everything is so bad, all the time, in every way, that I've got nothing left to say but fuck this idiot world. It's like having a fly swatter but living on a pile of shit. Even if you swing you're getting feces in the face. I got nothing left but rage and disappointment.
 
canprime said:
Now say goodbye to "free and fair" elections. Since you guys have your elections run at the state level, rather than a single governing body at the federal level, it will be much easier for red states to deny voting because people won't have the proper documentation. So gerrymandering won't matter anymore because they'll be able to just simply deny black and brown people the right to vote because they don't have "proof" of citizenship.
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The other major piece of this is people flooding to red states because it's cheaper to buy a home there. Blue state NIMBYs may have fucked the entire country. Projections for the 2032 Electoral College map vary, but most of them have states like New York losing electoral votes and Florida gaining them. Dems will need an entirely new path to victory to reach 270 electoral votes by 2032.

If the US is around in 2028, it will be an existential election. Not only do Democrats need to win the House, Senate, and Presidency, but they need to elect politicians prepared to usher in major change. Your run-of-the-mill, status quo Democrat will only delay the inevitable.
 
Chooch555 said:
But wouldn't introducing more presumably liberal folks into a traditionally red state tip the balance?
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So the way its been wotking is that Dems or left leaning people who have moved to states like Texas, Florida and Idaho haven't been enough to shift the end result in those states, so they still elect Republicans, but they have altered the number of electoral college votes the states have so New York and California lose votes while those Red states gain votes. Even worse is that there is data to suggest that once those blue state emigrees get to their new red state homes they start to vote more conservatively in step with their neighbors.

But electoral college math is and always has been garbage.
South Carolina has 5.5 million people and 9 electoral votes.
California has almost 40 million people and 54 electoral votes. If the votes were proportional CA would have 65 electoral votes... but the math gets worse the smaller the srate gets.
Wyoming gets 3 votes. For 588,000 people. If EC votes were proportional to that ratio California would get 201 electoral votes.

That means that every vote cast for president in Wyoming is 67 times as valuable as every vote cast in California. (Well not every vote since EC is also winner takes all in all but two states)

Anyway our system of governance is set up to more often than not perpetuate minority rule... and it seems like there is no escaping it..
 
So the hope is to win hearts and minds in red states. I see how the Democrat establishment thinks being conservative light would help that, but I suspect going populist, but leftist populist would actually cause the needle move. Poor low education votes are needed.
 
Damien said:
That's always where this was going (birth certificates meaning nothing). The second, the very goddamn second, that Trump's thugs could kidnap people on the street and deport them without due process, your birth certificate became a meaningless piece of trash. It means absolutely nothing no matter who you are or what state you were born in or what year you were born. And anyone that thinks otherwise is a fucking buffoon.
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It's already happened...

Normally one would be a U.S. citizen but not anymore.
 
Chooch555 said:
So the hope is to win hearts and minds in red states.
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The potential is there. I'd give Kansas, Missouri, and Utah a 40% chance of going blue over the next 10–15 years. Unfortunately, as we all know, the country will be long gone by then. The next election is our last chance at reform, if it's not too late already.
Chooch555 said:
I see how the Democrat establishment thinks being conservative light would help that, but I suspect going populist, but leftist populist would actually cause the needle move. Poor low education votes are needed.
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Yep. We're in the middle of the standard cycle:

Run a moderate candidate -> lose -> blame the left anyway -> repeat

We all saw the campaign Kamala Harris ran. The consultants, pundits, and establishment Democrats are doing what they always do: rewriting history and claiming the campaign was too far left.

We tried the moderate approach in nearly every race across the country for the last 25 years. The result is a 6-3 Republican Supreme Court majority, two George W. Bush terms, two Donald Trumps, the end of Roe v. Wade, a multi-decade war in the Middle East, multiple economic crashes, and a police state. It's probably time to try another approach.
 
TheSameIdiot said:
if it's not too late already.
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Unfortunately, no one wants a -critical and honest- assessment of this. I understand the desire, even the need, to believe we're 'better than this' and can claw out of it. But I'm honestly so tired of the 'we've been in difficult spots before and come out of it' rhetoric. I'm tired of any nonsense that compares now to ANY time in modern American history. Treating this like 'just another challenge we've faced as a country' is the fucking reason we've continued to lose.


Kamala ran a shit campaign because her campaign was 'hey, what if we just did the same shit we always did that always results in another Republican presidency because we NEVER prove to people why they should actually keep voting for us?' Centrism doesn't work because it doesn't make ANYONE happy. And it certainly doesn't engage new voters. Everything the Democrats have been doing for 10 years is wrong. Literally everything. And they're going to keep doing it because all the people in charge are 800-year-old ghouls that don't give a single fuck if the country burns down around them because it doesn't affect them.
They're no better than Republicans. Not one of them.
 
Damien said:
Unfortunately, no one wants a -critical and honest- assessment of this. I understand the desire, even the need, to believe we're 'better than this' and can claw out of it. But I'm honestly so tired of the 'we've been in difficult spots before and come out of it' rhetoric. I'm tired of any nonsense that compares now to ANY time in modern American history. Treating this like 'just another challenge we've faced as a country' is the fucking reason we've continued to lose.
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This is the headspace I'm in more and more. It's the whole "the manager did it for me last time" thing- that's all fine and good, but that doesn't mean you're getting it this time. The circumstances are different this time, maybe even self-inflicted. (I'm sure there's a more apt metaphor than that, but I'm forever a prisoner of the Customer Service mindset). It's like jumping into the lion enclosure at the zoo over and over again because you didn't get mauled to death the last time- you can only tempt fate so many times. The moment you get complacent is the moment you miss the point of no return.
 
TheSameIdiot said:
Murkowski is the most decent Republican in the Senate
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I’d substitute “decent” with “performatively moderate”.
Nothing “decent” about Lisa. Collins and Murkowski have posed as “reasonable Republicans” for years while enabling the MAGA agenda. They are Lucy, we are Charlie Brown, and they will never stop yoinking the football when we try to kick it.
 
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