Super 7 Ultimates Thread

Damien said:
First of all, we're not only talking about me. I'm not the only person complaining about Super7, or in fact complaining about Super7 interviews.
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That's fair. I only directed that toward you because it was you I was quoting. I don't actually keep a record of what anybody says about anything, so that was unfair of me.
 
Fletch said:
That's fair. I only directed that toward you because it was you I was quoting. I don't actually keep a record of what anybody says about anything, so that was unfair of me.
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I think maybe it was just the wording getting mixed up a bit. I had said answers 'people like me' would want (I.E. people with legitimate complaints about the product) and it could have come off as 'people that hate on Super7 a lot' - which can absolutely be a totally different issue.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from, though, with the Rocker Leo example I gave of one question I legitimately would like answered and would be more than willing to pose in a respectful way. I think there are questions worth asking and questions worth being answered.



AgentHemlock said:
Honestly I think companies don't answer questions that make their company look bad. I can't really disagree with that I suppose, when I think about their perspective. Like "hey Brian, why do your figures kind of suck some times?" "well, it's because we don't pay our factory workers enough to make a better product. This way, we keep more money in house. Chuh-ching. Or we don't have the experience or connections in China to make a decent figure. Or we don't think they suck because we don't put these things in cool poses, it's box to shelf baybee. Or we don't really think about action figure connoisseurs when we make them, we think about kitsch collectors" "Hey Brian, are you going to change any of that?" "Uh maybe. I got in trouble and now the turtles have double joints. Kind of a crapshoot here really"
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I totally get where you're coming from. And you're not entirely wrong in my opinion. But also, that's only one method of thought from a PR standpoint. I run a small company. I cannot imagine having customers complaining about me with things that are obvious issues (people are always going to complain, and you can't and shouldn't respond to every subjective whine about character selection or whatever). If we had defective product by any measure and everyone seemed to acknowledge it on some level, I would WANT to get out ahead of that and do some damage control.

In fact, I would argue that Super7's complete lack of damage control is the reason they're seemingly in a pretty bad position right now. You can only ignore complaints from your customers for so long before they stop being your customers. How many people on this board alone can raise their hands if they stopped buying S7 product or vastly decreased how much S7 product they buy, based solely on S7 ignoring ongoing quality control and pricing complaints?

If Brian wasn't a fucking idiot, he'd be able to write up a reasonable response to a lot of the complaints (maybe not all of them) that could calm people down, maybe even turn some opinions, OR at least offer some extra helpings of goodwill and grace. He chooses not to even acknowledge that anything could be wrong with his product because he's arrogant, not because it's a bad idea to do it.

Watch: "Yeah, I hear you. We're just as disappointed as you guys when a figure comes out with looser joints than we anticipated. There's a lot of challenges with tolerances and sometimes we don't catch that the factory got it wrong before it's too late. We do see it. We hear you guys. We're doing our best to make sure this gets corrected going forward, which is why you see it sometimes and not other times. We're going to continue to press on this issue until it's a thing of the past. We appreciate everyone sticking with us and all of the feedback on what's important to you guys for your collections."

I wrote that in two fucking seconds, while one of my cats was actively trying to put his head in my mouth for some reason, and (if I may say so myself), it's literally better PR than anything I've ever fucking heard Brian say since the first day I ever heard that Super7 existed.


AgentHemlock said:
Hasbro is similar, but those guys hang out with more wild cards like Unparalleled Wade and Shartimus who kind of exactly ask "hey why do your figures kind of suck some times?" The answers they get are always non answers though so there's no real point in asking them, they just probably do it so they don't get called a shill like Veebs. The guys will say "we can't talk about that" or "there's stuff behind the scenes".
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Yeah, that's the fan side of the problem; asking a question like a complete fucking twat gets you treated like a twat. Also, no one named Shartimus deserves to be taken seriously at any time. I wouldn't take that guy seriously at his own funeral.

It's all about how you ask, and I've seen the ML guys be way more receptive to criticism when it's polite and constructive than just Sharty bitching about hip movement on his Spider-Man or whatever the fuck. Also, the Marvel guys do a lot of livestreams where they DO say things like 'you guys were all online asking us for X so we did X.' Yeah, we asked for it like a year and a half ago, but they're -actively acknowledging- what fans are talking about, which is way more than Super7 ever does.

And man.. do you remember the days when Jesse Falcon actually posted daily on Fwoosh? You could pretty much argue with that guy and he'd stand there and take it and defend why they do X or Y. It was great. We talked about wrist articulation once and it only took them like 10 years to follow through on it.
 
So, I know its not Super7, but its going to end up on my Classics Ultimates shelf... but Ramen Toys just showed off updated samples of The Marshal (Bravestar) and ThreeZero (Thirty/30) and man do they look good. Exactly the kind of thing I want Ultimates to be doing.
 
PantherCult said:
So, I know its not Super7, but its going to end up on my Classics Ultimates shelf... but Ramen Toys just showed off updated samples of The Marshal (Bravestar) and ThreeZero (Thirty/30) and man do they look good. Exactly the kind of thing I want Ultimates to be doing.
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I haven't watched a single second of Bravestarr, but I totally want those figures too. But $100 for a figure of a cartoon I never watched? I can't justify it.
 
PantherCult said:
So, I know its not Super7, but its going to end up on my Classics Ultimates shelf... but Ramen Toys just showed off updated samples of The Marshal (Bravestar) and ThreeZero (Thirty/30) and man do they look good. Exactly the kind of thing I want Ultimates to be doing.
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Yeah, those look really good. I do not like Bravestarr, but they're doing a great job on those figures for sure. Not Ramen Toys - but I feel similarly about Biker Mice from Mars. Those first figures were really good considering the relative lack of experience from the company. In fact, without shade intended at all, they're better action figures than most of what Super7 has put out in nearly a decade. Love to see these smaller guys come out of the gate swinging.

I'd love to see Ramen start working on something I'm more interested in. I was REALLY hoping they'd release those He-Man figures, but it looks like they really do want to try to get the license the right way, which I don't expect to actually happen.
 
I mean, they clearly don't have a license for Bravestar but seem to feel like Dreamworks (I think thats who owns Bravestar) will do much about it. And I'd be perfectly happy for them to keep occupying this kind of space. Maybe the only way to get scale appropriate Blackstar or Mighty Might-Or.. I've wanted Super7 to go after those properties for awhile, but at this stage I'm not sure thats the best option.

And I really like what Nacelle has done with Biker Mice... and am intrigued by their upcoming Moo Mesa line. I am really, REALLY hoping they decide to circle back to Sectaurs and do Modern 7 inch updates on those similar tobwhat they gave us with Biker Mice and different from the vintage clone figures they tried first.

Its a bit crazy to me that Super7 is going to let these other companies come in and claim the ground they have been occupying.

The only drawback for me with Nacelle is theu have shown they are only interested in doing figures of properties they can buy outright - which they've done with Sectaurs, Biker Mice and Moo Mesa. That means its unlikely for them to try and license things like Thundarr, Blackstar or the Herculoids.

And Ramen doesn't seem overly interested in obtaining official license for those kind of things either.

But I need those things in my collection and if Super7 won't do it I need someone to step up and fill the gap.
 
The only time I can recall Brian addressing an issue with their figures in an interview setting was whatever one he did with Veebs after Simpsons Wave 4 landed. And for that to happen, they had to release a figure that literally fell apart if you shook it. And in that video, he said for those impacted to reach out to them about a remedy. I did, only to find out there was no remedy and they told me to contact the place I bought it from if I wanted to return it. I don’t know what they would have offered if I had purchased it directly from them.

I ended up emailing BBTS, which is where I bought the figure (Devil Flanders) just to basically give them my two cents on how shitty I thought the figure was. I didn’t blame them or act like a lunatic, but they gave me my money back and told me to keep the figure. They also shared they were fielding a lot of complaints lately about Super7. I can’t imagine that has gotten much better since.
 
A potential trick with neurodivergence is where you can read people immediately and make a snap judgement. The reasoning is still vague and spurious and people often don't believe it, but one of the reasons I buy in on is that because they are so good at masking, they can tell when someone else is being insincere or performative.

All I can say is I've never been wrong about people when I get that Spidey sense aversion. All I know is I trust that feeling and if pays off every time. I don't even need a personal investment or stake about those people. Once at a wedding of a cousin of a cousin of my SO, I said the groom gave me that feeling and felt bad for the bride. Within a year, turned out he was a cheating alcoholic and domestic abuser. I knew nothing about the man except a handshake and a brief convo in the lobby.

I'm just saying anecdotally, personally, Flynn always gives me that Spidey tingle and I just feel averse to him like I would a snake. I can just smell the Snake Oil.
 
PantherCult said:
And I really like what Nacelle has done with Biker Mice... and am intrigued by their upcoming Moo Mesa line. I am really, REALLY hoping they decide to circle back to Sectaurs and do Modern 7 inch updates on those similar tobwhat they gave us with Biker Mice and different from the vintage clone figures they tried first.
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I really like the 4" Sectaurs figures I have that came out a few years back. But I'd be down for a few 6-7" ones as well, for sure. As much as I try to tell myself that technically the 4" ones can be considered 'in scale' with anything else I want, since they're bug people from another planet, it just doesn't look right displaying the 4" figures with 6-7" figures.



PantherCult said:
I mean, they clearly don't have a license for Bravestar but seem to feel like Dreamworks (I think thats who owns Bravestar) will do much about it. And I'd be perfectly happy for them to keep occupying this kind of space.
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To my recollection, they did specifically mention, when asked about the MOTU figures, that they were seeking licensing from Mattel and wanted to do it the right way. And we've heard nothing else of their MOTU figures since then so maybe they're sticking to that.
Now, it's fair to say they're being kind of fucking stupid if they think Mattel is going to jump at licensing to a company that built its identity on selling, and continues to sell, unlicensed action figures for popular IPs. I don't see Mattel touching Ramen with a 500 foot pole.
So part of me hopes they just say 'fuck it' and release the MOTU figures.



altcunningham said:
A potential trick with neurodivergence is where you can read people immediately and make a snap judgement. The reasoning is still vague and spurious and people often don't believe it, but one of the reasons I buy in on is that because they are so good at masking, they can tell when someone else is being insincere or performative.

All I can say is I've never been wrong about people when I get that Spidey sense aversion. All I know is I trust that feeling and if pays off every time. I don't even need a personal investment or stake about those people. Once at a wedding of a cousin of a cousin of my SO, I said the groom gave me that feeling and felt bad for the bride. Within a year, turned out he was a cheating alcoholic and domestic abuser. I knew nothing about the man except a handshake and a brief convo in the lobby.

I'm just saying anecdotally, personally, Flynn always gives me that Spidey tingle and I just feel averse to him like I would a snake. I can just smell the Snake Oil.
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Absolutely. I think it's generally part of neurodivergent people having crazy pattern recognition, which includes behaviours, manners of speech, etc etc. I have it, too. It's definitely something that I think a lot of neurotypical people assume is just someone trying to big themselves up, but it seems to be (as far as I can tell) fairly well-established in modern understanding of neurodivergence like ADHD and certain types/levels of Autism.
And in realistic terms, I have never, ever, ever, been wrong about someone even after just making a snap judgement within 10 minutes of hearing them speak to someone else. Not saying it as a brag or because I'm special. It's just a fact.

I'm 100% confident in my position that Brian is just a slimey, dishonest weasel. It's not like "I wouldn't trust my kids around him," it's more like "I wouldn't trust him to ever tell me the truth if he benefits in any way from not doing so."
 
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