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I took that as Padme/Amidala wanting to get up-close with the droid personally, not so much with the doing of menial tasks.
Of course you're right. That was her way of hiding in plain sight and interacting with people and getting a better read than as the queen. Worked REALLY well with Qui-Gon who was happy to say whatever he was thinking to Padme.
That said: thinking too hard about droid service and slavery in general in the SW universe leads to bad thoughts for me.
Yep. heh, I think I'm gonna not think about Star Wars today. more of a GI Joe day for me...
 
Weirdly coincidental timing on the "are droids slaves" talk - I'm watching Black Sails for the first time, and a character who had been a household slave explains how he had no choice in something he did, because a lead character's father owned him, and the lead character says "you know I never thought of you that way," and while It feels a bit vapid to compare real world slavery with droids in Star Wars, it's hard not to tap the mental breaks thinking, say, Luke telling R2 "I never thought of you that way" and R2 beep booping up at him "How nice for you to have that option, dickhead. Doesn't change whose name is under 'owner' on my paperwork..."

I actually think Mandalorian is closest to what most people think of droids in the galaxy, though, at least once he gets past his general hatred of them, because he can humanize R5 or IG-11, but they're still just mechanized tools to him to command. Maybe pets at best and I bet Din doesn't think too deeply about it.
 
Right... that knowing smile when everyone else is blindsided. Even Obi-Wan, but I attribute that more to him not paying a lot of attention because he had better things to worry about.
 
Established onscreen 46 years later, but sure.
Yeah, I didn't mean like it was an established idea at the time. I'm saying it was a good idea and obviously one that George could have thought up instead of 'droid racism.' The idea of 'machine people drink oil' ended up in Star Wars. It could have started in ANH. They had oil baths already that 'felt good' after all.


I suppose you're right. I do wonder how much of it- especially in dealing with Cal and BD, and by extension, Kay and Nyx (even though Nyx isn't a droid) can be excused away by being a video game and it just being a part of the mechanics. You need your cute, conveniently sized sidekick to do certain things that you can't, but in return, both BD and Nyx are treated quite well by their owners. And in the case of Cal, he doesn't so much "own" BD as he does rescue him and work alongside him.
I actually kind of hate this in video games, by the way. We NEED this stupid little sidekick for mechanical reasons... which were invented so that we would need the sidekick. It's circular game design. I don't want a goofy little sidekick in every game. Nyx does not serve a purpose at all. Nothing that thing does couldn't just be something that Kay does or that doesn't even need to happen.
It's like how games invent reasons to use a grappling hook and then give you a grappling hook. And the reason you have the grappling hook? Because of all the places in the game where you need a grappling hook. God it sucks. I fucking hate grappling hooks in video games so much.

ANYWAY... Yeah, I mean, Nyx is a pet and I think we tend to allow for the idea that animals do not have the level of sentience and self-actualization to be slaves or not slaves, because animals are property. Right or wrong in your own mind doesn't really matter as this is still the socially accepted reality.

BD is a good example of skirting/avoiding the issue by basically making the human and the droid friends/co-workers. They're doing stuff together, rescuing each other, helping each other, and because we don't understand BD and aren't in his circuits, we can assume he wants to be there and is actively choosing to hang around with Cal when he doesn't really need to. That's more comfortable for us than 'Cal finds a droid and starts telling it what to do.'

But they stuck a fucking restraining bolt on R2. That dude was literally captured by slave traders and sold to farmers to go work on the farm. It doesn't get a lot more 'slavery' than that. Threepio as well, of course.

Amidala, who has all her handmaidens (another form of slavery, I guess?)
I don't think so. I think the Handmaids are the equivalent of any other 'household warrior' or even 'Secret Service' style of bodyguard, with the added 'pass for each other' thing. I don't know the lore very well, but I assumed the Handmaids are there by choice.
That said: thinking too hard about droid service and slavery in general in the SW universe leads to bad thoughts for me.
For sure.
Qui-Gon knew. He totally knew.
Classic example of using someone's belief that they're tricking you against them. Qui-Gon got to say what he wanted to say, ostensibly in a politically correct way. Can't talk to the Queen that way, but I can talk to her servant that way... right? While essentially knowing he's getting the information to the person that he wants to hear it. Good stuff.
 
Classic example of using someone's belief that they're tricking you against them. Qui-Gon got to say what he wanted to say, ostensibly in a politically correct way. Can't talk to the Queen that way, but I can talk to her servant that way... right? While essentially knowing he's getting the information to the person that he wants to hear it. Good stuff.
I hate a lot of things about TPM, but I LOVE Qui-Gon. Where Lucas’ writing and directing fail, Neeson’s prodigious acting talent and character instincts kick in to bridge the gap. Fantastic character.
 
I hate a lot of things about TPM, but I LOVE Qui-Gon. Where Lucas’ writing and directing fail, Neeson’s prodigious acting talent and character instincts kick in to bridge the gap. Fantastic character.
Qui-Gon is what makes the PT for me. I think if he weren't there, or were played by someone else, I would have written off the entire PT as unwatchable and never thought about it ever again. Instead, Qui-Gon still stands up as possibly my favorite character in Star Wars.
 
Qui-Gon is what makes the PT for me. I think if he weren't there, or were played by someone else, I would have written off the entire PT as unwatchable and never thought about it ever again.
THIS.

They had to hire literally my favorite actor of all time, Sir Christopher Lee himself, to get me to come back.

Then, of course, they criminally underused him.
 
Qui-Gon really is the ideal Jedi for me and it sounds like I'm not alone. Ethical, kind, brave, not afraid to bend rules or outright break them if it means doing the right thing, with a kind of playful wisdom that makes a mentor great. I know we had a huge discussion about not needing to see EVERY SECOND of every character's life, but I would love a bit more young/middle-aged Qui-Gon in the Tales from the... format, the way those shorts helped build out the life story of Count Dooku.
 
Qui-Gon really is the ideal Jedi for me and it sounds like I'm not alone. Ethical, kind, brave, not afraid to bend rules or outright break them if it means doing the right thing, with a kind of playful wisdom that makes a mentor great. I know we had a huge discussion about not needing to see EVERY SECOND of every character's life, but I would love a bit more young/middle-aged Qui-Gon in the Tales from the... format, the way those shorts helped build out the life story of Count Dooku.
Yeah, as much as I bitch about this very thing; I would watch an entire show about Qui-Gon. In fact, one of my early pitches coming out of the PT when we were all talking about 'what next for Star Wars?' was a show detailing Qui-Gon and Dooku's history and how their relationship fell out and all that. But I think both of those characters were pretty much the only worthwhile characters in the PT, so....

Qui-Gon is what I kind of thought all of the Jedi were going to be like when we started seeing early images of what pre-OT Jedi were going to look like. And then.... nope. Just Qui-Gon. Not a single other heroic person among them.
 
I feel like they could do something about a heroic Jedi working outside the rules if they explored Quinlan Vos a bit. I think there's a bit of something there to poke at in terms of a Jedi who knows the rules are not working.

The couple of shorts with Dooku and Qui-Gon were excellently done. You can see how they work with that pattern of Master and Apprentice and how sometimes the Master's views can sometimes push the apprentice in another direction rather than indoctrinate him - Qui-Gon may have had a wider, more open view of things because of Dooku, but also saw where Dooku's inflexibility in other ways could be a liability.
 
I actually kind of hate this in video games, by the way. We NEED this stupid little sidekick for mechanical reasons... which were invented so that we would need the sidekick. It's circular game design. I don't want a goofy little sidekick in every game. Nyx does not serve a purpose at all. Nothing that thing does couldn't just be something that Kay does or that doesn't even need to happen.
It's like how games invent reasons to use a grappling hook and then give you a grappling hook. And the reason you have the grappling hook? Because of all the places in the game where you need a grappling hook. God it sucks. I fucking hate grappling hooks in video games so much.
I can kinda understand for Kay- a smuggler and a thief would believably utilize a sneaky animal sidekick, but for someone like Cal who has the entire Force at his literal fingertips, it is a bit silly. At least most of what BD is relegated to is, again, tech-based things, which I don't know if the Force is as handy for. As we know, the Force and its powers only really work if the story calls for it. There's apparently very little need for the infamous Force Run from TPM.
 
It would be funny if they did a series about younger Qui-Gon with kid Obi-Wan, and we get another younger-person-as-Kenobi casting.
 
It would be funny if they did a series about younger Qui-Gon with kid Obi-Wan, and we get another younger-person-as-Kenobi casting.
I've always thought this era, and the earlier Anakin/Obi-Wan years were pretty fertile ground. I know we got a couple YA novels back in the day about Anakin's time as a padawan with Obi-Wan, but who knows what's still canon, and even still, there's obviously so much they could tell about that time. Finally a canon answer for what happened with them and that nest of Gundarks! 😂 (assuming there isn't one already)
 
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