Star Wars Black Series

I know Marrok is due to be in the upcoming Maul series. I'm not really expecting much from him, but at least we may get an explanation as to who/what he is and how he plays into the overall narrative.

I kinda hate that it's become such a thing to relegate characters and storylines to breathe better in spinoff or animated shows nowadays- the Palpy cloning arc, Marrok- heck, even the Jurassic franchise has done it with their animated shows. I'm a fan of both franchises until the day I die, but even I'll admit that they gotta get better with explaining things on screen in the thing in the first place!
 
joshsquash729 said:
I know Marrok is due to be in the upcoming Maul series. I'm not really expecting much from him, but at least we may get an explanation as to who/what he is and how he plays into the overall narrative.

I kinda hate that it's become such a thing to relegate characters and storylines to breathe better in spinoff or animated shows nowadays- the Palpy cloning arc, Marrok- heck, even the Jurassic franchise has done it with their animated shows. I'm a fan of both franchises until the day I die, but even I'll admit that they gotta get better with explaining things on screen in the thing in the first place!
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Disney's need to explain stuff later in animated shows, books, and comics I refer to as Star Wars Saga DLC. I have to download explanatory content into my brain from sources other than the main event movies and live action shows.

God, there is SO MUCH information in comics to explain things from the Sequel Trilogy and hardly no one knows the information as it was in comic books or visual guidebooks. And the sad thing is, it does make things make more sense even though it's still kind of a train wreck.

Things about Palpatine and his Clone bodies, why Rey could fight Kylo and match him in Force Awakens, the Knights of Ren, Snoke. All in the comics. But not in the movies. Thats what happens when you have no plan and fill in the gaps later.

I am excited about this Maul show though, and hope we get a couple figures from it. And it will be interesting to see Marrok alive in his Inquisitor days.
 
Ru1977 said:
Classy save.

I admit he ended poorly before he came back REALLY strong... then stumbled and couldn't get back up. But if Lucas wasn't going through a divorce, Boba Fett was setting up to be a total badass.
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To be fair, most of the time mystery is better. I can't be the only one who still calls Wolverine Logan because I refuse to accept his name is James and actually had a childhood.
 
Red Ogre said:
I suppose there is that argument as well. Though I've never seen it, Urban in the Dredd movie is famous for not taking the helmet off. Din Djarin rarely took his helmet off, and that worked pretty well too.
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Famously, people were kind of upset at how often Din took his helmet off, given the story. And then it came out that it was mostly because they hired a guy and wanted to show him off OR, alternatively, he wouldn't sign on for more seasons if he wasn't allowed to show his face more.
Either way, it wasn't exactly a popular choice.


Dredd is fucking phenomenal. Maybe -the- master class in how to make a comic book movie. Right down to saying 'fuck it' to the Hollywood convention of obsessively showing your lead's face just 'cause. Urban committed to take the role seriously and do it justice, and it's an absolute fucking travesty that movie barely got any press or marketing behind it.


docsilence said:
That being said, having Wes Chatham say "yes sir" a few times feels like a bit of a waste of talent.
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It could be something closer to the Daniel Craig issue. Maybe Chatham really wanted to be in Star Wars but they didn't really have a role for him. So it was like 'want to wear a suit of armor and look menacing for a few minutes?' Just like Craig, it could just be a matter of a big fan of the franchise wanting to be there.


joshsquash729 said:
On the contrary, I think it takes a special kind of actor to be able to emote and create a likeable character while we never see their face. That's what makes voice acting, to me at least, so impressive- creating characters and conveying emotions with only your voice.
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Absolutely.

And need I remind everyone that THE iconic Star Wars character was a voice-acted role of a character that never took their mask off.


docsilence said:
To be fair, most of the time mystery is better. I can't be the only one who still calls Wolverine Logan because I refuse to accept his name is James and actually had a childhood.
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I'm a pretty diehard Wolverine fan. As lame as some people think it is - he actually is easily in my rotating top five favorite comic book characters list. And I fucking HATE that we've gotten as much backstory from him as we have. All it's done is watered down his character. Sometimes writers just need to accept that the mystique of a character is PART of the character and by revealing too much, you strip them of a part of what makes them interesting.

To me, the Wolverine story died in the '90s. They've added nothing of value to the character in 30 years. And I will stand by that.
 
docsilence said:
To be fair, most of the time mystery is better. I can't be the only one who still calls Wolverine Logan because I refuse to accept his name is James and actually had a childhood.
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To be totally honest, I always forget his birth name is actually James and not Logan. He is, and will always be, Logan to me.
 
joshsquash729 said:
To be totally honest, I always forget his birth name is actually James and not Logan. He is, and will always be, Logan to me.
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Any time anyone calls him James Howlett I make a face like I just stepped in cat puke. I've been doing this for decades. It never goes away for me. He was always better as a man without a past.
 
Damien said:
And need I remind everyone that THE iconic Star Wars character was a voice-acted role of a character that never took their mask off.
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It would have been weird if Anthony Daniels took the mask off.

And in defense of Wolverine's origin, the comic wing at Marvel was very clear they were only doing it so the movies didn't do their version and have it foisted upon them.
 
Chooch555 said:
And in defense of Wolverine's origin, the comic wing at Marvel was very clear they were only doing it so the movies didn't do their version and have it foisted upon them.
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Coward speak. They should have just manned up and said 'any origin story the movies kick up is bullshit because Wolverine is specifically a character without a defined origin and history. Any attempt to give him one is an insult to the very comics the movies are based on.' Pre-call them out and make them look like assholes if they even try it.

Also.. 'we made a terrible backstory for Wolverine so the movies wouldn't make a terrible backstory for Wolverine' is so.... executive-coded.
 
I've always looked at every adaptation as an elseworlds anyway, except of course Star Wars because man this franchise has a weird style of attachment to its continuity. Definitely a bigger discussion than I feel like getting into , but like, any time I think about how they might realign the sequel trilogy I'm like "but we are absolutely stuck with what's there on screen in some way shape or form, aren't we."

Meanwhile Marvel's over here like "Quantumania never happened, just kidding, that was a fever dream" (Not that that's better, just the dichotomy is grimly hilarious to me)
 
If they're gonna let fans dictate what they cut out or trim down for episode nine, why not give in to fans who want it erased?

And we did get into reboot and alternative versions for a bit a month ago or something in the lounge area but I think most people hated the idea.
 
Ru1977 said:
If they're gonna let fans dictate what they cut out or trim down for episode nine, why not give in to fans who want it erased?

And we did get into reboot and alternative versions for a bit a month ago or something in the lounge area but I think most people hated the idea.
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Honestly, at what, damned near 50 years old as a franchise? I think I'm okay with the "let the DLC make things better" concept for Star Wars. My favorite stories for the past 20-plus years have been animated (aside from Andor, Andor is on a level of its own). Just let creators play in the space and make it work. I don't want a reboot. If anything, I want more Acolyte and Skeleton Crew stories that find some other place in that galaxy far far away and tell a new story with familar tones and ships that roar in the vacuum of space.
 
docsilence said:
I don't want a reboot. If anything, I want more Acolyte and Skeleton Crew stories that find some other place in that galaxy far far away and tell a new story with familar tones and ships that roar in the vacuum of space.
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I want a reboot not for the sake of the reboot itself, but specifically for the sake of all those other stories. My contention is that the bad decisions (in my view) within the core Star Wars stories essentially infect the entire universe of storytelling. There are things that are just true about this fantasy setting that are problematic; things that you cannot really tell Star Wars stories without feeling the impact of. You can try to ignore a lot of it, but it's stuff that still exists.

For example; Midichlorians. Whether you put that in your story or not, ANY story you write about force-users comes with the implicit Eugenics bullshit that some people are literally BORN more powerful and better than other people. Literally, being able to use the force effectively and be the BEST Jedi/Sith is in your blood. That's fucking stupid. AND offensive. And no matter what, it is in the foundational material you're working from. Even if you never, ever talk about it, your viewers/readers know it's there and it weakens your story.

No matter what you write post-ROTJ, everyone knows that SOMEFUCKINGHOW Palpatine came back. You can't get away from it. It's simply a fact of the setting.

I could go on and on, of course. What I mean to do is make the point that a reboot isn't about the reboot. It's about reworking the core material to make all those non-core stories better and free them of the burden of being tied to some of the worst fucking writing in human history.
 
I wouldn't mind if we could either undo the brother sister thing or special edition the two kisses out of ESB
 
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