Star Wars Black Series

Trunks3540 said:
Harry Potter isnt the problem. Rowling is just a pos.
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Well . . . Rowling openly says that any financial commitment from folks to her work means support of her garbage, so it’s hard for me to separate art from artist here.

Honestly: I’m not big on separating art from artist anyway. I go back and watch any Joss Whedon thing and I can just smell his disgusting misogyny all over it, Avengers very much included, unfortunately (didn’t much like that movie in the first place, but there are lots of Whedon things I did love that now feel icky to me even if I do revisit them). And I’m a *huge* Neil Gaiman fan, but it’s hard not to look at things like the Calliope story in Sandman and not go “ohhh, there it is” now.

But Rowling particularly has done so much specific harm by advocating for and helping to finance and pass so much anti-trans hatred, even into law. And unfortunately when I know what I know about her loathsome views, it’s hard not to go back to her work and see a lot of incredibly troubling shit percolating in there.

And holy shit: Kevin Spacey. Mm. I dunno. Haven’t gone back to any of his stuff after all the shit came out.

Like I can’t go back and watch any of Victor Salva’s films because holy shit once you know he’s a pedophile it’s impossible not to see it all over his films, especially stuff like Powder and Jeepers Creepers. He and Whedon have a lot in common in that there are confessions hidden all over their work, and it is fucking gross.

At the end of the day, folks need to make their own decisions about this kind of thing, but for me, *especially* if the person is still alive and trading off of their work, it’s incredibly hard for me to return to their art.

Like HP Lovecraft? Fuck that shitty dead racist, we’ll just claim his art for ourselves and piss on his memory, literally if possible. That’s not so easy with some of these living folks.
 
Trunks3540 said:
Harry Potter isnt the problem. Rowling is just a pos. Its like watching anything with Kevin Spacey or any of Joss Whedons work. Don't let the shitbird behind the camera ruin a good time. Buffy will always be top tier. Everything Whedon did in Avengers was fantastic. But the dudes a total heel and doesn't deserve to do anything else now. Enjoy what came before, and be selective in what comes after, which hopefully, is nothing.

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Yeah. Buffy. Harry Potter. I feel like with most things once you put them out into the world they belong to the audience that makes it their own.

Have terrible opinions and be a terrible person, but you're not going to take away what these things meant to other people in their times of need and growth because they made it their own and found a community that is hopefully not as s***** as those creators.

One of the biggest obstacles these days, especially with social media and the access we have to everybody, is that everything is tainted somehow. I struggled with this for the past decade in therapy. There's just a point you have to draw a line for yourself and as long as you're not causing the harm, try and offset the carbon footprint or something.
 
Honestly, I don't like Harry Potter that much. I know people who are obsessed. I just have to seperate the art and the artist. Possibly being an artist myself helps? I just think if we try to limit ourselves based on the actual artist, we would have to basically stop, EVERYTHING. One director is a pedophile, well lock his ass up. Anything he did already exists. And there were thousands of other people who worked on it that weren't pedophiles. I unno, that's just me. I'm sure if everyone's dirty laundry aired out to the world in full, we would be stopping Hollywood full stop. There wouldn't be enough people to sustain it. There is 0 media without any sort of shady shit behind the scenes. We just don't know it all.

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Harry Potter talk on the Star Wars thread. What happened? How did it come to this?

You know what. kidding aside, I have never seen a single Harry Potter film or read a single Harry Potter book. Nothing against Harry, it's just something I never cared to get into. Which is weird. I like big franchises with lots of content and lore that are sci fi, fantasy, and various fictions.

Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Star Trek, Game of Thrones, Marvel, DC, The Highlander, Masters of the Universe, etc. I could name a hundred different ones.

I'd probably honestly like Harry Potter. I just always feel like I don't want to waste the time and energy. I'm not sure why. I feel like I don't care. I've never seen anything Doctor Who either as long as we're being honest. And I've never watched the movie Labyrinth.

LOL, this is has just turned into a Super Camel Confessional.

Just to keep it still roughly on Star Wars.......damn I want a Garindan Long Snoot Black Series figure.
 
Super Camel said:
I'd probably honestly like Harry Potter. I just always feel like I don't want to waste the time and energy. I'm not sure why. I feel like I don't care. I've never seen anything Doctor Who either as long as we're being honest. And I've never watched the movie Labyrinth.


Just to keep it still roughly on Star Wars.......damn I want a Garindan Long Snoot Black Series figure.
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Firstly, absolutely on the Garindan figure. So surprised we haven't gotten one yet.

Secondly, watch Labyrinth. It's a classic- such wonderful effects and puppeteering by the Jim Henson Company. David Bowie's bulge is legendary- that thing is a character in and of itself and should've gotten its own screen credit!
 
I don't want to get into Rowling (whom I despise) in a Star Wars thread, but I will say almost never does a day go by I'm not like "George Lucas is a weird dude but thank fuck he's just REGULAR WEIRD and not a known predator or monster so I can still enjoy Star Wars." Because goddamn, the stories we love were written by some awful people.

That being said, if an expose came out that George like, eats babies I'd be like "rich guy, that tracks."

AceofKnaves said:
Like HP Lovecraft? Fuck that shitty dead racist, we’ll just claim his art for ourselves and piss on his memory, literally if possible. That’s not so easy with some of these living folks.
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I SPECIFICALLY let myself enjoy Lovecraft derivations because his work is public domain rather than enriching a bigot, and frankly, HP would ABSOLUTELY HATE the stuff being done with his name on it. If he weren't already dead, Lovecraft Country would have literally killed him. And I think that is hilarious.
 
Personally, I don’t buy the “it was a different time” thing. There have been ethical, moral, compassionate people in *every* time, just as there have been selfish, cruel, nationalist, bigoted assholes in every time.
So I judge them incredibly harshly.
There is no excuse, in any time, for bigotry and cruelty.
HP Lovecraft was a small, frightened, hateful little man.
Robert E Howard was a shitty bigot.
 
I dunno. If I had stayed in Wisconsin and within certain circles I'm positive I would be the shitty bigot I was on track to become. I chose a different path, but still find myself having to update my thinking at 48.
 
Chooch555 said:
I dunno. If I had stayed in Wisconsin and within certain circles I'm positive I would be the shitty bigot I was on track to become. I chose a different path, but still find myself having to update my thinking at 48.
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Hey, absolutely, and at almost 48 I’m always having to update my thinking too. And that’s the work that we are all *obligated* to do, in any era, as members of the human race. You are succeeding, HPL and REH failed miserably.

But that’s the thing: there are always *explanations* for why people are like that, but there are never, ever, EVER *excuses* for it.
 
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