Skurge the Executioner BAF Wave

THIS is where I’m trying to get to. This is where I’m going to HAVE to get to if I want to stay in the game.
I'm guessing very few toy collectors are in the top 10%. So 99% of us will need to get there eventually. This hobby is pricing everyone out even if you ignore the ridiculous practices like exclusives and BAFs. Obviously, people outside the US in places with unfavorable exchange rates are going to really see that crunch first. It's hard to even explain to someone in the US that I've had to pick-and-choose my collecting for a long time because a full wave of MLs is fully like 70 dollars more for me than it is for them.
People in the US are complaining when their prices go up to what Canadian prices were 5 years ago that we thought was 'fairly cheap.'

So it's coming for everyone. I don't see anyone, or at least not most people, being able to be the same collector in 2027 that they were in 2014.
 
I'm guessing very few toy collectors are in the top 10%. So 99% of us will need to get there eventually. This hobby is pricing everyone out even if you ignore the ridiculous practices like exclusives and BAFs. Obviously, people outside the US in places with unfavorable exchange rates are going to really see that crunch first. It's hard to even explain to someone in the US that I've had to pick-and-choose my collecting for a long time because a full wave of MLs is fully like 70 dollars more for me than it is for them.
People in the US are complaining when their prices go up to what Canadian prices were 5 years ago that we thought was 'fairly cheap.'

So it's coming for everyone. I don't see anyone, or at least not most people, being able to be the same collector in 2027 that they were in 2014.
That’s certainly part of it, but the bigger issue for me at the moment is the number of figures I’ve accumulated that I no longer want and that are taking up space that I no longer have. I’d like nothing better than to pack them up and donate them to Goodwill or the Salvation Army, but I feel like that would be financially irresponsible when I could sell them on eBay and use the proceeds to either pay down the mortgage or make some much needed home improvements. It weighs VERY heavily on my mind.

Too keep it somewhat on topic, that’s the issue I’m having with buying the six figures in this wave to build the Executioner. That’s $180 out of my pocket and three more figures that I eventually have to sell (Iron Man, Spider-Man, and the Enchantress that I’m replacing).

The correct answer here, and the advice you would probably give me is “Well, in that case, maybe you just need to accept that you’re not going to have an Executioner unless you find a good deal on one that’s loose and complete, or he’s re-released as a deluxe figure.”

That’s where I need to get to…like NOW…or I am going to quit for the sake of my own sanity.
 
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You felt that way because it's true. Especially now that these things are over 25 bucks a pop.

NO ONE should have to buy something they don't want to get something they do. What other hobby makes you do that?

Anything with a blind box model. Collector cards, etc. See Hasbro's first foray into this bullshit with 1/12 scale figures

 
I’m still very happy about the character selection in this wave. The BAF concept has allowed for us to get such a wide variety of characters.


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On the contrary, I believe the holes are the direction.
To me, the holes are evidence that there is direction. If they were just throwing darts at a board, we wouldn't have 90% of this team or 85% of that team.

Do they slow-play releases to keep folks interested? Absolutely. But they have genuine intent to finish teams and keep us happy.
And it's probably fair to say that there's too much under the Marvel umbrella to do so unless you're willing to dismiss the possibility of doing other things at all for long periods of time.
This is another key point. If they give us a character to finish a team, they usually start another by accident. Take Pete Wisom. We get him, and it opens the door for New Excalibur, Black Air, or MI13. More incomplete teams. It's like that for most Marvel characters. It's a never-ending web.
I'm getting tired of this crap. If Hasbro gave Wolverine the BAF piece instead of Warbow we wouldn't even be having this conversation. At all. I would happily skip Warbow, buy the rest of the wave and that would be that.
I don't want to try to convince you to keep your collection, but this feels rash. I agree the BAF model sucks, especially at this price point.
But they gave Warbow the BAF piece for one simple reason: He'd never sell without it. Never. He'd be the king of the peg warmers. He'd join Secret Wars Kang from the 1980's as one of the great peg warmers of all time.
I've seen genuine excitement about Warbow online. People think he looks cool. He's a green diamond guy with a crossbow. He's not for me, but he's kinda cool. I can't keep track of the number of characters Hasbro releases that I either 1) don't know or 2) don't care about.

I wait it out. My Astonishing Kitty is coming.
But that;s 30 bucks I could use to buy little unimportant things. Like food and shelter. You know. Trivial things like that.
If you're selling because you can't afford to stay in the game, I hear you. If you're not, I'd encourage you to take time to mull it over.
The other thing: At SDCC, I had to listen to this "Asgardians and Serpent Society members are too obscure" stuff. But I guess Warbow's ... not? That kinda frosts my chaps too. "Too obscure for THEM" is I guess what they actually meant.
This is Hasbro's normal spin for specific asks, isn't it? "Maybe." "We'll see." "No chance."

I'm sure they'll continue to slow feed us Serpent Society members. The Warriors Three is a different can of worms. I think MTO is the way to go there, but they're all unique sculpts, so I'm not sure that works. I don't know that there's enough interest.

We can keep voting in the top 10 and giving our card packs to Hasbro. That's how we make ourselves heard.
I mean, when I think of all that shit Hasbro has put their customers through. Remember the SDCC exclusive Savage Land set?
The Savage Land set was underproduced, no doubt. Dan and Dwight do listen to customer feedback, though.

Skurge is different. You'll get another bite at the apple. Hasbro re-releases every BAF they can. Hell, every sculpt they can. (Hint: WARBOW!) How many times have we seen Kingpin? The Joe Fixit body? Apocalypse?

Folks have been clamoring for Executioner. You'll get him in another colorway within 18 months. Guaranteed. The second release will be in a clearanced two-pack within two years.
Now I gotta figure out how I'm going to get rid of this shit. That'll be fun. But hey, when it's over, I'll have a lot more room. That'll be nice.
Are you so angry with the Legends team that your existing collection can't/won't bring you joy? The Marie Kondo "does it spark joy" thing is trite, but it works.
I really do collect for enjoyment now. I've made my peace with there being stuff I won't have, for whatever reason. I don't collect teams or universes anymore. I'm good with having seven Wolverine figures that I REALLY like and no Professor X, for example. I'll be so happy if they make a Kylun, but I feel no inclination at all to get the rest of Excalibur. But I'm also good with not buying figures that do exist if they exist in stupid ways. Either one day I'll find it on clearance or get a good deal or whatever, or I just won't have it.

I know not everyone is cool with that approach. But I am. I've loved action figures for my entire life. As long as it's financially viable for me to buy any at all, I will. But I'm good with being way more selective and letting go of ideas like 'complete collections' or even being too upset when I can't have a character I really want. If it doesn't happen... well... I have other toys that make me happy so I'll live and try not to stress over it.
This is a great post. It provides what every collector needs: perspective.

You've all heard me say it before: your collection needs direction. At the end of the day, we collect to make ourselves happy. You need to figure out what that looks like for you. Is it every Master of the Universe figure? Is it every version of the Turtles from the 2003 TMNT cartoon? Is it seven Wolverines and no Professor Xs?

From what I know about @SDcomics, I'm not sure it's selling decades of joy because the corporation made a greedy decision, or many greedy decisions. Maybe it is. That's for you to say.
I'm guessing very few toy collectors are in the top 10%. So 99% of us will need to get there eventually. This hobby is pricing everyone out even if you ignore the ridiculous practices like exclusives and BAFs. Obviously, people outside the US in places with unfavorable exchange rates are going to really see that crunch first. It's hard to even explain to someone in the US that I've had to pick-and-choose my collecting for a long time because a full wave of MLs is fully like 70 dollars more for me than it is for them.
People in the US are complaining when their prices go up to what Canadian prices were 5 years ago that we thought was 'fairly cheap.'

So it's coming for everyone. I don't see anyone, or at least not most people, being able to be the same collector in 2027 that they were in 2014.
100%. And maybe that means calling Hasbro's bluff. You want me to pay $200 for Executioner? Fuck that, I'll wait for the re-release.
 
I’m still very happy about the character selection in this wave. The BAF concept has allowed for us to get such a wide variety of characters.


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Gotta say I’m with Akat on this.

I 100% get the “locked behind an unwanted paywall” argument, and I even agree. And I definitely recognize my “collecting privilege” as a middle-aged, childless, semi-stable job guy with not much to spend my modest disposable income on except for my special interests. That said: one of the things I’ve always loved about Marvel Legends and especially BAF waves is that they serve me up a wide variety of characters, some of which I am invited to study up on. I don’t think I had any any knowledge of nor care for X-23 when they dropped her in the line, but I wanted that BAF and I was interested in learning about her because hey I love the Marvel Comics universe and she’s in it! And I oh-so-vaguely remember Warbow from ads in Marvel Comics when I was a little kid, he’s not someone who would ever be on a wishlist of mine, but eh, I want Skurge real bad and ol’ Warby looks like a fun toy.

Mostly, I just can’t wait to have Jack Russell face off against Jada’s Larry Talbot Wolfman. There will be epic lycanthropic battles!!!
 
Exactly, I didn’t know about X-23 or Deathlok. I didn’t know about Bullseye even back when he was in ML 9. I’ve learned so much about the Marvel Universe in general just because of BAFs. It’s made the line more fun for me.


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The correct answer here, and the advice you would probably give me is “Well, in that case, maybe you just need to accept that you’re not going to have an Executioner unless you find a good deal on one that’s loose and complete, or he’s re-released as a deluxe figure.”
Actually, I have different advice for that. Not that my advice is sage wisdom or anything. Take it or leave it.

I've started to view my stuff as rented versus bought. I paid a fee to have this stuff in my possession for as long as I like having it. Before I buy something, I have to square myself with the idea that I'm paying this money for a temporary thing and ask myself if it's worth the asking price to only enjoy it for however long that ends up being.

I know it's not as easy as that, and we can end up talking about a lot of money. But I mean... I spend money on temporary things all the time. Every Starbucks, or bottle of Scotch, or nice dinner - -those are temporary experiences, the money from which I cannot get back. I've started taking the same approach to my toys.

Don't get me wrong, IF I can sell some stuff and get some money out of what I don't want, then that's great and I'll do it. But I don't STRESS about doing it. If I don't have time, or the inclination, or the item is no longer worth anything? Then whatever. It can be someone else's problem and I move on to the new temporary experience I'm paying money for.

It sounds so new agey, so forgive me because that's really not who I am, but this attitude has FREED me. I literally Do Not Give A Fuck anymore. Just bought Ghost Rider on his bike and he's on clearance a week later? Oh well. I had him for that week that I otherwise wouldn't have had him if I waited. Can't sell that old 3-pack Wolverine? Whatever. I've been looking at him on my shelves for years now. I think he earned the 25 dollars he cost and he can just get tossed to a random kid on the street for all I care. These things that brought me joy paid for themselves by bringing me joy. If they don't do anything else for me 'on their way out' - I don't care.


Also... I straight up disagree that the BAF model gives us anything we wouldn't get otherwise. I see zero evidence for that.
 
What this is really about is where we should be 12 years into the modern era of Hasbro Marvel Legends. The line lacks a coherent direction, and that’s why we still have more holes in our collections than a block of Swiss cheese.
This has been an issue forever.

I've never really appreciated as a collector - or understood from the business side - Hasbro's lack of plan to complete teams from specific eras, and honestly I think it has to come back and hurt them -
  • How many collectors who wanted to get the matching male New Mutants to go with the female New Mutants have moved on?
  • Wouldn't Air Walker have sold more around the time Galactus came out than now (or whenever it happens)?
  • Is waiting at least 2+ years to get Hepizbah and Raza going to increase sales compared to if it had been a few months after we got Corsair and Ch'od?
  • X-Factor orignial costumes, they could finish that so easily, and get more use out of the Angel sculpt....so why drag it out?
I never got it and I never will. I'm not talking about taking a while to get through a characters supporting cast and rogues, I get that can take time to go deep around a character. But to me they miss so many opportunities when they start a team or era and then let it fizzle out, instead of having a plan.
 
Some of this comes to what draws us in as collectors - for properties based on an IP like Marvel, I am buying figures that represent the comics I liked and read. I expect most are as well, but maybe not - its great that the toy line introduces people to comics they otherwise knew nothing about.

But a great looking figure of a character I don't care about is no different than a great looking Hi-Def release of a film I have no interest in or a great live recording of a band I don't like - I don't need it.

There are action figure lines - Savage Crucible, Naughty or Nice, Dime Novel Legends, Warriors of the Kingdom, Mythic Legions - where the quality and look of the figure is the selling point, not representing the IP I have affinity for per se. Marvel Legends in not one of those lines for me.
 
I'm like everyone else here in that I can rattle off a list of two dozen teams and a hundred characters that I want to see in the line - but I also think it's worth acknowledging just how far we've come. If OG X-Factor and the Starjammers are the next "Why won't they complete this team?!" then I'd say we're actually doing pretty ok in terms of character selection.

I definitely don't disagree that spreading out some of these more niche teams seems like an odd strategy from a marketing perspective. I'd bet money that those lingering Crystal/Lockjaw sets are going to move a little faster now that the rest of the team is on the way.
 
I guess I'll never see that Golden Age Torch figure, assuming that's actually coming. But too bad so sad. They had 25 years to get that out. Heh. They missed their window.
If you do decide to give it up - and I hope you do whatever is right for you - one of us is tracking you down with Golden Age Torch whenever he gets made and forcing him into your hands whether you like it or not. Even those who forswear the hobby deserve to have their holy grail when it gets made.
 
I’d guess nearly half of my Marvel Legends collection is characters I’ve never read in a comic. I’ve heard of most, but even some I’ve never heard of before it became an action figure. Didn’t stop me from buying the character, and instead most likely encouraged me to do a little digging. I don’t even want to admit which characters these for fear of revoking my Articulated Thoughts membership. I’m in a good spot where I can buy stuff even without having heard of it, just to complete something I have heard of.
 
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