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TheSameIdiot said:
I'd have a lot more respect for modern religions if their characters were as sick as the ones in Greek mythology.
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Nonsense.
Theseus has nothing on Bibleman!!!
(yes, I bought an action figure of this guy like 25 years ago so my other toys could beat on him)
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Oh, the lameness that is BibleMan! Every attempt by evangelicals to provide a "biblically based" hero or what-not becomes instantly cringe-worthy. The kids are NEVER interested in them either...except for that one kid that we all knew who was basically one of Ned Flanders' kids. The rest of the kids in Sunday school are looking at this crap thinking how completely lame this "hero" is, and how it's nowhere near as cool as Spider-Man or Batman.
 
TheGillMan said:
Oh, the lameness that is BibleMan! Every attempt by evangelicals to provide a "biblically based" hero or what-not becomes instantly cringe-worthy. The kids are NEVER interested in them either...except for that one kid that we all knew who was basically one of Ned Flanders' kids. The rest of the kids in Sunday school are looking at this crap thinking how completely lame this "hero" is, and how it's nowhere near as cool as Spider-Man or Batman.
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A Biblical Icons line done with Savage Crucible intent and straight faced could be dope.

Samson and Delilah
David and Goliath
Adam and Eve and the serpent with a flaming sword
Jesus and his apostles
Accurate angels
Revelations as a whole
 
I saw BBTS had a single mall Santa left in stock and FOMO kicked in hard and I quickly ordered him. I had just put out my Christmas figures for the year earlier that day so I was in Christmas mode anyway. I really wish the sleigh was coming out in time for the season, but all of these reindeer I bought will just have to stand around looking silly for another Christmas.
 
altcunningham said:
A Biblical Icons line done with Savage Crucible intent and straight faced could be dope.

Samson and Delilah
David and Goliath
Adam and Eve and the serpent with a flaming sword
Jesus and his apostles
Accurate angels
Revelations as a whole
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Isn't that what D13 or whatever they're called is doing?


TheGillMan said:
Oh, the lameness that is BibleMan! Every attempt by evangelicals to provide a "biblically based" hero or what-not becomes instantly cringe-worthy. The kids are NEVER interested in them either...except for that one kid that we all knew who was basically one of Ned Flanders' kids. The rest of the kids in Sunday school are looking at this crap thinking how completely lame this "hero" is, and how it's nowhere near as cool as Spider-Man or Batman.
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It's just so deeply weird. Can you imagine if atheists created 'Atheist Man, the superhero that just talks about how all gods are fake all the time?'

Creating a special hero for your beliefs is working in reverse. There's great superheroes out there that are religious. Daredevil is always the first one to come to mind, of course. I feel like it's way more impactful when those characters are part of the world rather than obviously being created specifically as propaganda tools. No one is interested.
 
TheGillMan said:
The kids are NEVER interested in them either...except for that one kid that we all knew who was basically one of Ned Flanders' kids.
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Ohhh Grodd when I was young there was a neighborhood kid whose parents did the “you can dress up for Halloween but only as Biblical characters” thing, and this poor little girl would come up to the door dressed as, I shit you not, MOSES. I was like “Mom can we help her??” but I guess the parents knew my dad in a business sense and my mom didn’t want to offend them. But holy fuck that kid looked fucking STOKED to be dressed as Moses and that was the real bummer.
 
NORM said:
Why was it such a bummer for you if she liked the costume?
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Mm I knew the family pretty well and they were hardcore holy-rollers, totally indoctrinated the poor kid. Like she was stoked because they told her to be stoked. She would repeat the memorized screed they gave her, very spooky. It was more that she was stoked to get to wear a costume *at all*, if that makes sense: it was the only expression allowed to her.

Ultimately, it’s not about the specific religion, it’s about the thought control. Kids should get to be kids. Ultimately I’m uncomfortable with *any* religious doctrine being forced on a child before they are old enough to make their own decisions about it.
 
Life is short and full of pain. One of the few real pleasures we have is a life of the mind. An opportunity to see our world and experience in all its vastness and diversity. Variations in history, culture, art and thought. Strict fundamentalism is so likely to rob a child of that through their life. It’s sad.
 
Damien said:
Isn't that what D13 or whatever they're called is doing?
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Pretty much, and to me having detailed Biblical figures is an interesting idea that, if done well, could be cool. The D13 stuff I've seen is okay...not enough to get me to bite, but it's not a concept that I'm opposed to.
AceofKnaves said:
Ohhh Grodd when I was young there was a neighborhood kid whose parents did the “you can dress up for Halloween but only as Biblical characters” thing, and this poor little girl would come up to the door dressed as, I shit you not, MOSES. I was like “Mom can we help her??” but I guess the parents knew my dad in a business sense and my mom didn’t want to offend them. But holy fuck that kid looked fucking STOKED to be dressed as Moses and that was the real bummer.
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:ROFLMAO: Good grief! Insane!

I remember one year when I was a kid, the super Evangelical church I went to did their take on a Halloween party (but wouldn't call it a Halloween party because they are nuts). The kids were told they had to either wear Biblical costumes, or things from children's storybooks. Most of the kids stuck to this rule, with the overwhelming majority being from kid's books...but the rest got really freakin' creative and royally pissed off the folks in charge. There were a few witches and monsters...all from children's books. There was some sort of demon and an angel, and that was all that represented the Bible among the kids. Of course, there was one kid whose parents obviously didn't give a shit, who was there in a Ben Cooper Man-At-Arms costume.
Damien said:
It's just so deeply weird. Can you imagine if atheists created 'Atheist Man, the superhero that just talks about how all gods are fake all the time?'
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Atheist Man, and his trusty sidekick, Existentialist Boy!
Damien said:
Creating a special hero for your beliefs is working in reverse. There's great superheroes out there that are religious. Daredevil is always the first one to come to mind, of course. I feel like it's way more impactful when those characters are part of the world rather than obviously being created specifically as propaganda tools. No one is interested.
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That's how I always felt. Nightcrawler and Daredevil having their beliefs as a core part of their characters was a much better representation than any dumb, shoed-in excuse for indoctrination that kids wouldn't have the slightest interest in.
 
TheGillMan said:
Nightcrawler and Daredevil having their beliefs as a core part of their characters was a much better representation than any dumb, shoed-in excuse for indoctrination that kids wouldn't have the slightest interest in.
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Also notable that a common complaint from far-righters is that “woke” folks are making their identities “their whole personality”, and then the same far-righters embrace BibleMan-like “whole personality” indoctrination.

It’s always “I know you are, but what am I?” with these guys.

And yeah, “you shouldn’t force any religion at all on kids” sounds like a controversial stance, but I can easily back it up clinically.
 
Damien said:
There's great superheroes out there that are religious. Daredevil is always the first one to come to mind, of course.
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Once I got into an argument with a stranger who was complaining that no Marvel superheros were Christian, and I pointed out DD. And this dude was like "I said CHRISTIAN!" and it took a few back and forths to realize that this person was so ignorant they didn't realize Catholicism was a Christian denomination. And no, it wasn't what you're thinking, a protestant so aggressively in their 'one true way' that they thoguht all other sects were evil. This person just legitimately knew so little they had no idea Catholic was Christian. Just total smoothbrained isolationism. A casual religious person who was in it enough to want to be part of the outrage, but uninformed enough to have no idea just how braindead they sounded. Even got angry at one point "Then why don't they just call it Christian!!!"

I needed a lot of ibuprofen that day.
TheGillMan said:
Nightcrawler and Daredevil having their beliefs as a core part of their characters was a much better representation than any dumb, shoed-in excuse for indoctrination that kids wouldn't have the slightest interest in.
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Though the way they fixed it was strange, I'm very glad the comics eventually gave Kurt the origin Claremont envisioned. I was really not into the idea that he was an actual demon because, like, the whole point is you aren't supposed to judge the dude by his looks. Making him a descendant of a demon is directly antithetical to the whole point of the character. Uggh. Didn't they also eventually do that same shit with Angel? Make him actually an angel or whatever? Maybe I'm misremembering.
 
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