Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies and Streaming Series Discussion

I'm hopeful for a lot of this stuff coming up. This Saga has not been as overall good as the Infinity Saga for me. Some good movies, but a lot of movies that felt bland or unnecessary. But what is happening now, I feel hopeful for and would like to see it bring everything together. I really enjoyed Daredevil Born Again and think it setup the potential for an amazing Season 2. And everything I'm hearing about Thunderbolts; it sounds like it may be one of the best MCU movies in a while.

Fantastic 4 looks fun, and I like that they are from an alternate Universe than the 616 Universe of the MCU.

I'm not very excited about Iron Heart, as it's just not a character I'm really familiar with in the comics, and I didn't think she was that impressive in Black Panther 2. But I will definitely watch the show to see if it's good.

But next year, with Doomsday and Spider-Man, as well as Daredevil Born Again season 2. I'm ready for all of that. And I'm very excited to see the Fox X-Men in Doomsday. I LOVE all things Fox X-Men.

I do think that a large part of how messy things have felt is the pivot away from Kang. They clearly started laying a bunch of groundwork that will now likely never come to fruition (at least fully), which is a shame. I think Renslayer could've been a suitable replacement for Kang if they didn't want to stick with Majors. But now that there seems to be a unifying vision they're heading towards with Doom, I'm confident things will start to feel more on-track again.

I keep forgetting about Ironheart, honestly. I know the focus is on Thunderbolts right now, but there doesn't really seem to be much, if any, push for Ironheart. I'm sure it'll start up after Thunderbolts hits theaters, but still, that'll leave, what, a few weeks until it premieres? I know the shows get a little less love than the movies, but I feel like other shows got way more promo than this. I'm interested to see where all the Armor Wars stuff goes (even if this isn't its proper start, as far as we know), but yeah, I'm totally indifferent to Ironheart right now.

I'm with you, though, SC- anything and everything X-Men is up my alley (sans maybe the Dark Phoenix movie), and I can't wait for them to be introduced to the MCU proper. The fact we're seeing some of the Fox X-Men again (maybe for the last time?) will be a lovely full-circle moment.
 
With how fast those movies have to be shooting, can they even release the cast long enough to fly international for a photo opp? Maybe one Russo Brother?

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I know we don't want or need a ton of threads, but should projects as they release get their own dedicated thread for discussion and spoilers? I would appreciate this - anyone else?
 
The reason I don't is purely for clutter's sake. If the admins don't have a problem with it, go for it.

They've done it before where the shooting schedule was arranged for people to fly to San Diego to make an appearance before hopping on the next plane back. But if it's really not feasible, they could show a video in Hall H.
 
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I saw it in the theater four times on opening weekend. Ten times overall.

Seeing it on the big screen with a sold out crowd was the greatest movie going experience of my long life. And trust me, I have seen thousands of movies.

I have loved comics and movies my entire life. Seriously. The day I was born, the doctor went to smack my butt and my Mother swears I dropped a comic book.

When I was little, I never thought film and comics would combine. I never dreamed we'd see Marvel and DC heroes on the screen, especially with the special effects we have now. But here we are.

Thank you, Marvel Studios, for everything.
 
Can't believe it's already been 6 years. Where the heck did the time go?! Makes me feel old. And I still have only seen it once in its entirety. Maybe I should give it a try this weekend....
 
The reason I don't is purely for clutter's sake. If the admins don't have a problem with it, go for it.

I think a good rule of thumb is to only make a thread for stuff when there's a legitimate amount of stuff to talk about. Not sure we need a thread for every movie title Disney throws up on a PowerPoint presentation or just because a cast list may have been leaked. But once there's actually trailers for stuff? That seems like a good point to move to dedicated discussion. Mostly just my opinion there, not a hard-and-fast rule that's going to be enforced here as yet.

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I saw it in the theater four times on opening weekend. Ten times overall.

Seeing it on the big screen with a sold out crowd was the greatest movie going experience of my long life. And trust me, I have seen thousands of movies.

I have loved comics and movies my entire life. Seriously. The day I was born, the doctor went to smack my butt and my Mother swears I dropped a comic book.

When I was little, I never thought film and comics would combine. I never dreamed we'd see Marvel and DC heroes on the screen, especially with the special effects we have now. But here we are.

Thank you, Marvel Studios, for everything.

This film legitimately still gives me goosebumps. I don't see how it wouldn't if you're a comic fan. It just feels like such a monumental moment for comics, films, and fans of both. The culmination of 10 years of storytelling and building these characters for the screen. Avengers Assemble, indeed.
 
I just watched it, too. I feel like every character's personality was nailed. Florence was perfect, and I absolutely loved Bob. Boy, they didn't downscale Sentry's powers, which I loved. Still...

I don't know, I wanted...more? I don't even know how, without pulling in heroes from other movies. But if you do that, it kind of diminishes the arc of the characters we got. I guess I wanted the boundries pushed a bit more, in the end, but at the same time, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie.
 
I'm glad to hear you guys liked Thunderbolts. I'm excited to see it and will probably watch it tomorrow. I've honestly been more excited for this movie than I was or am for Cap 4 or F4. Mainly because I love Winter Soldier/Bucky, and I am a big fan of Red Guardian, Yelena, and US Agent in the MCU.
 
I was thinking about the recent phases since Phase 5 is actually pretty damned strong when you take it in that context (despite its start), but the issue for me as far as phase 4-6 is it's hard to take them in that way. The lack of a solid 'event' film to end each phase, ala Avengers, really made them all bleed together for me. So I wanted to reexamine the post-Endgame releases phase by phase a little.

Phase 4 obviously struggled through Covid etc, but just looking at it as a whole is kinda interesting. Thinking back to Phase 1... I know everyone has their own opinion but I'm gonna try to get a more general consensus. Iron Man was a clear hit and well received, Incredible Hulk had a lackluster reception, Iron Man 2 was apparently too dependent on setting up Avengers for some reason but was a bigger hit, Thor was seen as weak but the world building and character work were solid, and First Avenger may have not been quite as accessible with its style but wasn't poorly received. Then of course Avengers blew up. But overall, not the massive hit factory of a phase some may remember it to be.

With Phase 4 we open with a pretty solid action movie about a character we've already mourned, a fun departure that some felt got too fantastic in the end, a more serious departure that wasn't well received at all, a fun and emotional nostalgia frolic that was very popular, and... well, I'm not even sure how MOM was received but I imagine it was better than my personal reaction to it, then a letdown of a sequel to Ragnarok, and finally a followup to one of Marvel's biggest solo projects that did a pretty good job of picking up the pieces of a real world tragedy. Not a really solid phase, but is it really weaker than phase 1? It's real handicap was probably not having a clear event film to wrap it all up. And by 'wrap it all up', I don't even mean connecting threads from all the films of the phase as much as uniting characters from them all. This phase also introduced tv shows that were connected.... kinda. The people behind MOM hadn't watched the show it directly followed, for instance. But WandaVision, Falcon & Winter Soldier, Loki season 1, What If, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Ms Marvel, She Hulk, and two holiday specials (Werewolf By Night and GOTG) were released during this phase. I would argue that Thunderbolts, had they been able to release it in 2023, could have wrapped this phase up a little neater, bringing characters from Black Widow, F&WS, and even one from Phase 3, together. Or... something. I dunno. Taskmaster, Shang Chi, Sprite, Wong, Valkyrie, Kate Bishop, Scarlet Scarab, etc? I may be the only one, but to me the problem is not having that cap at the end.


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Phase 5 started out with my least favorite MCU movie so far, and it seems like the public mostly felt the same. The rest of the phase, I'd argue, was really strong. A strong and heartfelt farewell to the original Guardians of the Galaxy, a fun teamup of the Marvels characters, a raunchy love letter to the Fox universe, an okay political thriller that's probably better if you hadn't watched Winter Soldier, and finally the big event teamup film people are saying is righting the ship.

When compared to Phase 2, I wonder if Phase 5 may stand a little taller. Iron Man 3 was a financial hit but a little polarizing with fans whether you're the world's biggest Mandarin fan, or you just like Tony in the suit more than out. Dark World is an easy punching bag, while Winter Soldier is often a massive asterisk for even the most ardent Marvel hater. Guardians of the Galaxy was certainly a well received debut, and Age of Ultron did well enough even if some fans took issue with plot points. Finally, Ant-Man was the little heist movie that could, taking a concept a lot of moviegoers found ridiculous and making it entertaining. A successful phase in the box office but a couple that left fans unsatisfied.

Again, they had shows as well. Secret Invasion, like with the movies, started the phase on a weak note, but Loki season 2 was solid. More What if, then Echo was already poised to be hated before it left the gate. Agatha was well received, Daredevil got mostly good marks, and we still have Iron Heart coming. The show side was more hit or miss.

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Phase 6 starts next year with Fantastic Four, but Wonder Man is lurking out there somewhere as well. A few untitled releases that may not even be anything, Spider-Man Brand New Day, and a couple more massive team-up events. Doomsday and Secret Wars are likely to be the biggest movies Marvel has done yet, but the phase itself is lacking the bulk Phase 3 had, even if they use every single one of their reserved release dates. Phase 3 had eleven movies, most of which were really solid, well received, and successful. It's the phase that certified the studio as a hit machine. Phase 6 has eight dates reserved, by my count anyway, and not all of those will definitely yield an actual release. Beyond FF, Spider-Man, another season of Daredevil, and the two Avengers movies, phase 6 may see Black Panther 3, Shang Chi 2, Doctor Strange 3, Midnight Sons, the Champions (Young Avengers), and possibly even some mutants. On paper, that's a pretty incredible lineup that would make the early 1960s Marvel nod with pride.
 
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I just watched Thunderbolts, and I freakin' loved it! It was so much fun and really had a bit of everything. Humor, emotion, a bit of fear, and good action. It was very well written and very well performed by all the actors.

Yelena and Bob/Sentry steal the show, especially together. Great chemistry. i think my personal favorite though was John Walker/US Agent. I always like the Cap characters be it Cap, Winter Soldier, Sam, etc. And I liked Wyatt Russel as US Agent immediately in the Falcon/Winter Soldier show. He just shined even more here with this performance and really left me wanting way more US Agent.

The movie was pretty real for me on a personal level too. Covering depression and mental illness. But it was done in a beautiful way that not only made you understand the pain and hardship, or even emptiness of the problem, but also made it clear why you try, keep fighting, and don't give up.

A very surprising theme to see played out and executed so well in a superhero movie.

Go watch this. I think this is one of the best the MCU has given us in sometime.
 
SIX YEARS AGO TODAY ...
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I saw it in the theater four times on opening weekend. Ten times overall.

Seeing it on the big screen with a sold out crowd was the greatest movie going experience of my long life. And trust me, I have seen thousands of movies.

I have loved comics and movies my entire life. Seriously. The day I was born, the doctor went to smack my butt and my Mother swears I dropped a comic book.

When I was little, I never thought film and comics would combine. I never dreamed we'd see Marvel and DC heroes on the screen, especially with the special effects we have now. But here we are.

Thank you, Marvel Studios, for everything.
This. All of this. My best friends and I get emotional a lot at these movies. The comics got the three of us through difficult times of childhood and mean so much to us. Seeing it all come together in film just gets us so emotional when it is done very well like the whole Infinity Saga. When Cap finally says Avengers Assemble I cheered and cried tears of joy. Single greatest movie theater experience I ever had in a full theater. I was actually saying out loud "say it Cap say it." My adult daughter was mortified because I was so loud 🤣. But it is a moment I'll never forget.
 
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