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Y'all were happy to see that character portrayed that way - after the fact, as a joke?

Genuinely curious.

I have no relationship to the character, but I thought it was weird to just skip to the current version of that relationship. I can infer a lot of their negative attitudes towards him (Sue excepted) but the movie forced me to make up an entire story in my head for that relationship and now after Superman and this movie doing that exact same narrative thing, I'm not a fan of this approach.

I would like to see this actor play that character FOR REAL and not have only the "villain from movie 1 returns for cameo in movie 2" version when we don't have movie 1.
 
There's a prequel comic that came out showing their first encounter with him etc. it was funny because I think the art in that was the first confirmation of who he was playing.
 
TheSameIdiot said:
I love an implied relationship. Trust that the audience is smart enough to catch up.
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That may be one of the hardest things for any comic nerd; when you're super familiar with the source material, and it's too easy to focus on the things they skip, or the missed opportunities, or get too hung up on how things are varying from what you read. I imagine we've all had that happen with something.
 
TheSameIdiot said:
I love an implied relationship. Trust that the audience is smart enough to catch up.
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This. We are NEVER getting a movie with that character as a main villain. EVER EVER EVER. But he, in like, four lines, is able to define the Fantastic Four as heroes and how they don't always solve every problem by punching it to death, show the brilliant ability to work with people one character possesses; and taunts the most tauntable member of the Four with a great zinger and then just admits he's using humor because he's scared. The way he flips the switch when it's just him and Sue and becomes a human being changed by how they treated him... fuckin' brilliant, man.

I love this approach used by both movies because honestly... audiences don't have time to ramp up for ten years anymore. Nobody goes to the movies anymore. We have to find a shorthand to make a new world feel lived in, and I think both films found ways to make living, breathing worlds that existed before we enter them better than anyone has in a long time. Trust the audience to go along for the experience. I love it.
 
docsilence said:
The way he flips the switch when it's just him and Sue and becomes a human being changed by how they treated him... fuckin' brilliant, man.
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I do wonder if there was a longer "intro" to the team that included more of the first interaction with MM, along with more of Red Ghost.
 
They're apparently not interested in extended or director's cuts, but maybe we'll get some deleted scenes in the extras section.
 
TheSameIdiot said:
I love an implied relationship. Trust that the audience is smart enough to catch up.
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Absolutely EVERYTHING doesn’t need backstory. Look what it’s done to Star Wars

That said I’d love to have seen 25 more seconds in the “old villains” montage to have glimpsed a few more of them.
 
PanchaMaestro said:
Absolutely EVERYTHING doesn’t need backstory. Look what it’s done to Star Wars
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Which is funny....and sad, because Star Wars is ALWAYS my go to example of a movie that dumps you right in the middle of a conflict. I know he stole that directly from Hidden Fortress but still.
PanchaMaestro said:
That said I’d love to have seen 25 more seconds in the “old villains” montage to have glimpsed a few more of them.
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AT LEAST some Malkovich. I don't understand why they couldn't have had some of him. Did they only film lengthy monologues of him?
 
I think there's a happy medium between the two approaches.

Perhaps it would work better if I felt we spent the right amount of time with the main characters in either movie, and I think both Supes and FF deserved 15-20 more minutes of movie to really let audiences come to appreciate *these* versions of the world.
 
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