Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies and Streaming Series Discussion

fac said:
Also, a single live action show a year isn't going to keep me subscribed to D+...
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I don't think they care anymore. The business model doesn't support more than that. The shows are too expensive.

Disney+ will be for parents with young kids.
joshsquash729 said:
Not sure I like the idea of not following up on post-credits teases, though. I understand that plans and schedules change, but it should be an exception, not the norm.
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It just makes it seem like they don't have their shit together. Which, well...

I'm with James Gunn on this one. Stop introducing new heroes in the post-credit scenes. It's too volatile.
Ru1977 said:
More Feige:
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Where are these quotes coming from? Is there a big interview somewhere?
 
He has done several different ones. I saw two different ones with Deadline, then stuff like comic resources and so on, press tour for FF.
 
Ru1977 said:
He has done several different ones. I saw two different ones with Deadline, then stuff like comic resources and so on, press tour for FF.
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Here's an interview Feige did with Variety.

You should read the whole thing, but here are some highlights:

“We’re utilizing that story [Secret Wars] not just to round out the stories we’ve been telling post-‘Endgame,’ just as importantly — and you can look at the at the ‘Secret Wars’ comics for where that takes you — it very, very much sets us up for the future,” Feige said. “‘Endgame,’ literally, was about endings. ‘Secret Wars’ is about is about beginnings.”

But Feige was also careful not to characterize the changes as a “reboot”; instead, the executive said “Secret Wars” will serve as a “reset” for the MCU. “Reboot is a scary word,” he said. “Reboot can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. Reset, singular timeline — we’re thinking along those lines.” Later, he added, “‘X-Men’ is where that will happen next.”
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Feige noted that the X-Men comics, with their focus on Xavier’s School for Gifted Youngsters, naturally centered on stories about adolescent characters. “They have been a place to tell stories about young people who feel different and who feel Other and who feel like they don’t belong,” he said. “That’s the universal story of mutants, and that is where we’re going.”
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Even more intriguingly, Feige also indicated that other Marvel characters will eventually be recast, including its most iconic roles, like Tony Stark and Steve Rogers. He pointed to many other major film franchises that have done the same thing, multiple times over.

“Amy Pascal and David Heyman are now searching for a new James Bond,” Feige said, referring to the producers of Amazon MGM’s upcoming Bond film. “David [Corenswet], the new Superman — he was awesome. That will always be the case.”

Feige acknowledged that stars who’ve retired their original MCU roles like Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans have made it difficult to imagine anyone else in their characters’ shoes. But it isn’t an impossible task.

“I think it’s hard for anybody to do that when an actor has done such a great role,” he said. “How are they going to ever replace Sean Connery [as James Bond], right?”
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So....
What some have theorized, and I believed as well, is Doomsday will basically be Time Runs Out, where incursions are colliding universes, and the inhabitants decide the only way for their universe to survive is to destroy the other one(s), which also gives us Avengers Vs. X-Men since it's basically the MCU against the Fox X-Men. While that's all happening, Doom is coming up with his own solution, which leads to him rewriting reality and mixing parts of several universes into his ultimate universe, in Secret Wars. When that's all said and done, there will be one universe with several characters from multiverses now in the same, singular verse. Some can be recast favorites like a new Iron Man and new Black Widow, etc, now stuck in the prime reality.

BUT... what if...

The Fantastic Four are the first characters we're seeing from that universe, and it's an idealized, futuristic sixties kinda style, which they presumably abandon/lose and are stuck in the 616 universe after Secret Wars.... but what if they aren't, and alllllll the other characters (Tom Holland Spider-Man, Kamala Khan, Kate Bishop, Miles Morales from another reality, etc etc) actually come over to the Fantastic Four's futuristic sixties universe at the end of Secret Wars? They have the FF and Spider-Man, along with some others.... then that world's Hulk is introduced, and Thor comes into the picture, Tony Stark builds a suit of armor in a cave with a box of scraps, Hank and Janet, Daredevil, and so on, actually introducing the characters into the world closer to the order the comics did it. Cap is discovered in the ice with a new actor, etc etc.

Just a theory that probably won't pan out.
 
AceofKnaves said:
Recasts of “retired” characters and unified timelines make me very happy indeed.
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Yep. I predicted this a while back in this very thread. The resolution to Secret Wars would be a new sacred timeline with Charles Xavier, Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Stephen Strange, Bruce Banner, Prince T'Challa and practically the whole Marvel Universe being contemporaries. (And Peter Parker if Sony continues to play ball. Which I really hope they do.)

Looking forward to Phase 7 and beyond.
 
So this is what I posted way back on page 29 of this thread (June 14th):

I think after Secret Wars, we're going to get the MCU 2.0. A new Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Natasha Romanoff, Thor, Nick Fury, Black Panther and pretty much everybody. The X-Men will join the mix. Loki and the Fantastic Four will stay the same, and they'll be the only ones who remember what came before.

And yes, there will be a new Doctor Doom. A Doctor Victor Von Doom who keeps his face covered by metal. A Doctor Doom who invented a time machine. A Doctor Doom who is the ruler of Latveria. And a Doctor Doom who is the sworn enemy of Reed Richards and Tony Stark. Doom can be the big bad who can play out across multiple movies much the same way Loki did.

There's a lot more to my theory than that, but I'll spare you. If I'm right, the Marvel Studios brain trust will have a brand new universe to play with. They can sit down and really map things out.

And like always, if you hate my ideas, don't sweat it. I'm probably wrong.
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We'll see what happens.
 
TheSameIdiot said:
I don't think they care anymore. The business model doesn't support more than that. The shows are too expensive.
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Sure I get that, but that's also a choice they have made to go big for so many of the productions though - I am not sure they need that level of expense.

I think they ought to readjust the D+ show model and take the shows down a notch - like a step above the original Netflix and Agents of SHIELD level of sets, effects, locations, but not trying to be feature film level of those things - and focus more on characters, longer storylines, more drama. I assume something like Hawkeye and Echo and DD are less expensive than Moon Knight or Loki. For instance, how much did they spend on the CGI for that "tunnels under Chicago" set piece in Iron Heart - could they have just done a basic high-rise heist and gotten the same narrative result and saved $10 million in CGI? (I have no idea what it did cost...). Arguably the best scenes in Iron Heart were outside the suit and conversations amongst the characters.

I have enjoyed the shows the last few years more than the features, so this seems like a step in the wrong direction to me.
 
SDcomics said:
Yep. I predicted this a while back in this very thread. The resolution to Secret Wars would be a new sacred timeline with Charles Xavier, Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Stephen Strange, Bruce Banner, Prince T'Challa and practically the whole Marvel Universe being contemporaries. (And Peter Parker if Sony continues to play ball. Which I really hope they do.)
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We will see how it plays out, but my instinct is trying to bring back Tony and Steve and T'Challa into the MCU with other characters continuing as they are could easily become "somehow, the Emperor returned" in undermining the narrative beats for those characters. I think those characters had their stories in this MCU. Let FF and X-Men and Spidey and Strange and Hulk etc carry the load for a bit, and mix in the new characters they have sitting around.
 
fac said:
We will see how it plays out, but my instinct is trying to bring back Tony and Steve and T'Challa into the MCU with other characters continuing as they are could easily become "somehow, the Emperor returned" in undermining the narrative beats for those characters. I think those characters had their stories in this MCU. Let FF and X-Men and Spidey and Strange and Hulk etc carry the load for a bit, and mix in the new characters they have sitting around.
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Yep. I don't care if they recast, but they should let those characters rest for a while. We shouldn't see another Captain America or Iron Man for a decade or more.

DC has handled it pretty perfectly, actually. Whenever they reboot Superman or Batman, the world is ready for a new take on those characters. DC doesn't need as much time between reboots because those characters don't exist in the same cinematic universe as the previous incarnations.

If they bring Steve Rogers and Tony Stark back in the next few years, it'll look like another knee-jerk reaction, just like bringing RDJ back.
 
fac said:
I think they ought to readjust the D+ show model and take the shows down a notch
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I completely agree, and also feel they should do lower budget films as well. I don't even mean lower like they have been, but I mean like some $30 million dollar movies. Minimal CG.
 
Right, and the time between Dark Knight Rises and Batman V Superman was four years. But besides that, having over a dozen movies since saying goodbye to those characters feels like a lot of time has past. If the whole cinematic universe is reset, it makes sense to include new versions of the big names.
 
@PanchaMaestro and @Ru1977:

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