Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies and Streaming Series Discussion

Phrases I've heard so far in the MCU:

"Avengers Assemble!"

"For Asgard!"

"Imperious Rex!"

"Excelsior!"

Phrases I hope to hear in the not too distant future:

"It's Clobberin' Time!"

"Flame On!"

"To Me, My X-Men!"

"I'm The Best There Is At What I Do ... But What I Do Best Isn't Very Nice"

"A Man Without Hope Is A Man Without Fear"

"I Am Fire And Life Incarnate! Now And Forever ... I Am PHOENIX!!"

"With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility"

"Nuff' Said"
 
SDcomics said:
Phrases I've heard so far in the MCU:

"Avengers Assemble!"

"For Asgard!"

"Imperious Rex!"

"Excelsior!"

Phrases I hope to hear in the not too distant future:

"It's Clobberin' Time!"

"Flame On!"

"To Me, My X-Men!"

"I'm The Best There Is At What I Do ... But What I Do Best Isn't Very Nice"

"A Man Without Hope Is A Man Without Fear"

"I Am Fire And Life Incarnate! Now And Forever ... I Am PHOENIX!!"

"With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility"

"Nuff' Said"
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Didn't we get 'Flame On' in Deadpool & Wolverine? That's officially part of the MCU, isn't it?
 
Damien said:
Didn't we get 'Flame On' in Deadpool & Wolverine? That's officially part of the MCU, isn't it?
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Yes and yes. You are correct. I totally forgot about that.

But ... as much as I loved Deadpool & Wolverine, I want to hear the words "Flame On" come out of the mouth of the MCU's Torch. I understand Joseph Quinn has been practicing.

Really, more than anything, I want a great Fantastic Four movie.

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"If This Be Doomsday!" indeed.
 
I also have been hoping since Age of Ultron to hear Thor say "(Insert villain name), we would have words with thee!"

I would have accepted it with Thanos or Kang, and now hope for Doom.
 
It will be such a fuck yeah moment. They came very close with Bring Me Thanos, and I can be happy if that's as close as we get.
 
I understand why they didn't want to go the whole 'clone Thor' thing. I really do. But I'm not sure I can ever fully forgive the MCU for never giving me the moment where Thor comes back and absolutely fucking bodies Stark, and threatens him by saying he'll remind him of the difference between a god of thunder and a mortal man in a metal suit.
I do feel like there was a neat little nod to that encounter, in a completely different context, in the first Avengers movie when Thor runs over and just casually plucks Tony's faceplate off like it's nothing. But still... very different scenario.

Totally get the desire, in any event, to hear certain phrases in their proper context.


I kinda feel like MAYBE we need a 'favorite MCU quotes' thread....
 
I loved the reveal that it was Vanessa - that's brilliant and perfectly played (and I am forever glad they course-corrected and brought back Ayelet Zurer).

But - I'm really not enjoying this season anymore. It's sooooo dark. Muse painting in blood, straight up murder (I get White Tiger's quick exit may have been due to the actor passing away so needed a clean wrap-up), Fisk's corruption and also murders. These all are plots probably pulled straight from the comics, but in translation and one after another after another it's all just darkness - the execution (no pun intended) felt more balanced in the first three seasons. We are completely lacking a character representing hope. Or a C plot.

Also, Matt and Heather moved so fast - I honestly didn't know for sure if this apartment was his or hers until this episode (I guess the DD shed was a clue) - and I don't get a feel of an actual connection between them. I like Heather and Margarita is doing a very good job, but she got turned into a plot device sooo quickly (but her servicing two plots was again a great story choice - it's the execution). Matt needs a supporting cast he can confide in - we've moved past this secret version *seasons* ago and going back is boring.

I feel bad for Kirsten - feels like the actress got the really short end of the stick with one note to play for eight episodes now and they've never explored why she was the right fit for Matt to go into business with or what they connect on as friends. I don't care for the Jerry character or his acting. And Josie's bar was on the wrong side last night.

I'm not enjoying how often they are intercutting Matt and Fisk scenes. I get it - they are connected and the stars of the show - but doing it so often is robbing the actual scenes of their impact by cutting away every 20 seconds. We get it - the dichotomy is the point! - but I was getting that just fine in linear fashion.

Also, anyone else notice Charlie lost weight during the stop down/strikes? His face and chin were noticeably thinner last night. Not bad - just noticeable.

Here's my note to represent hope - so glad we got the bank heist episode. I hope the next batch of episodes includes more like that. I've rewatched the original seasons and they remain great - the bank heist episode is really the only one of these I might ever feel like watching again at this point.
 
I want to be excited about the MCU and totally respect those who are excited for it, but it's been a long while since I've actually looked forward to an MCU movie. I'm not trying to shit on anybody's enjoyment of the films, but I really like talking *about* them, and this is what I've got to say.

I did see Brave New World, and I can best summarize it with "but why, though?" I've been pretty vocal about how I don't like Sam as Captain America (he went from being the coolest Falcon to being, like, the 3rd coolest Captain America), and I especially wasn't interested in him being in a Hulkless Hulk movie. The closest thing we got to any actual Captain America content was there was a guy called Sidewinder (speaking of which, six years ago I'd never even heard of Giancarlo Esposito and now I'm already tired of him). Actually, it also had Isaiah Bradley in it, and Carl Lumbly is awesome, so that's a positive.

Thunderbolts suffers a lot from my own baggage, but I thought we were leading up to a Dark Avengers movie and instead it looks like we're getting Suicide Squad (and not the good one). I really liked Wyatt Russell's John Walker, Captain America (which is why Sam is only my 3rd favorite Cap), but I'm pretty indifferent to the rest of the cast. I'm not pre-judging it, it'll probably be good, but it's not the movie I wanted and doesn't have a lot of characters I'm interested in. I'm just not looking forward to it.

Finally, I'm kind of surprised at my indifference to the Fantastic Four movie. I'm a huge FF fan, and it looks great. I like the kitschy 60s aesthetic and the Thing looks great. However, I'm really turned off by it being a parallel Earth rather than just having them be in the pre-existing MCU Earth since that lowers my investment by quite a bit. I also have a vibe that we're going to be rushing thru a lot of the big moments in the lives of the Fantastic Four. I can't find the quote I'm basing that on, though, so maybe I imagined it. Anyways, this will probably be good too, but everything I know about it now is evenly split between "hell yeah" and "oh, no."

And that's it. There are literally no other announced MCU movies that I'm interested in. I've said before (a few times) that I think continuing with the Avengers characters after the Infinity Saga was a mistake and I'm really (really) tired of nostalgia casting in movies. Since Doomsday and Secret Wars both promise to be Avengers movies filled with nostalgia casting, I'm very uninterested in them.

Anyways, thanks for reading. I know I repeat myself a lot with these MCU posts, but I really do like talking about movies, even when I don't like them.
 
That is almost exactly me these days with Marvel movies/tv. I just have complete Avengers fatigue. I don't really want to watch anything else with Avengers characters in it because I feel like that whole story peaked with Endgame and nothing else is going to come close to that.

That aside, Fantastic Four does have me excited because that is its own different thing and feels like a fresh start. Likewise the idea of X-Men movies has me extremely interested. I'm just ready for them to move away from the Fox X-Men and start over. Hopefully Doomsday is the last we see any of them. I thought those movies and cast were the best things ever back in the early 2000s when they first released but I'm ready to move on and see a new take on those characters.
 
My excitement certainly lessened the last few years but I still maintain the last five years have been as good as phases one and two, minus the Avengers culminations, and that's where I feel they REALLY messed up. Having something that tied most of the phase together would have left the audience feeling less adrift.

I've said before, but I've mostly enjoyed the last few years. Most I found watchable, a few I thought were genuinely great, two I thought were genuinely bad, some were fun. One of the shows I couldn't finish. And that all said, I don't blame people for not being thrilled with the output. I do get it.
 
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I haven't lost my interest in the MCU, but I'm definitely experiencing the natural wax and wane of any fandom. My passion for Marvel has always kinda come and go through the years, even before the MCU, so I'm not too worried about it. I didn't love Brave New World, but I also know that that was chopped to hell and supposedly the last(ish) movie before they did their re-structuring and seemingly got their act together. I've also never been the biggest Cap fan (blasphemy, I know), so I was indifferent. I never managed to work up hype for BNW (maybe because it just hits too close to home in this day and age), but I do find myself oddly excited for Thunderbolts and F4. Maybe it's because they still feel fresh and fun- Thunderbolts looks like it doesn't take itself too seriously, which is the polar opposite of BNW, and F4 still feels like there's an air of mystery to it. Also, the lighter, more retro feel to it is a nice standout from the rest of the crowd. I wouldn't say F4 has ever been a favorite per se, but my feelings for it are definitely more positive than negative. I have a soft spot for superhero teams and the dynamic of not only the personalities, but the powers as well.
 
I don't think, for me, that it's much different from the same fatigue I get from anything else I like. There are entire runs of X-Men, for example, that I never read. In large part that's because I was just kinda tired of X-Men comics when they came out. Or Ghost Rider. Or Punisher. Or any of my other favorites.
I do think it hits more easily with the MCU because very few of the MCU characters are ones I'd consider 'favorites.' Way easier for me to get tired of, for example, Ant-Man. Because I don't give a single shit about Ant-Man.

But, my fatigue is also selective. I can be tired of trying to keep track of the entire THING, while still enjoying individual pieces. I'm really enjoying Daredevil, but I think there's like three or four MCU shows that I either didn't finish or never watched. Whereas in the earlier MCU days, I watched every movie so I could really know the whole story.

It's also worth keeping in mind that before many of us were hitting MCU fatigue, there was also way less content to keep track of in order to have the whole story. You could reasonably be able to follow the entire thing with a couple of movies per year. Now if you want to really understand what's going on it's potentially hundreds of hours of content per year. More than anything else, I believe that's what's really causing the MCU fatigue. Even if they were all good shows/movies (they're not), it would still be totally reasonable to be fucking sick of it.
 
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