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*At risk of annoying the musical theater purists, some of the Disney shows like The Lion King, Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast have been great for this - and if anyone is a Harry Potter fan, The Cursed Child has some amazing effects and moments.
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Aladdin has a great reputation, The Lion King is legit a legendary marvel (JULIE FUCKING TAYMOR), and Beauty and the Beast is an absolute staple! My first pro regional theatre job was understudying a union guy playing Gaston! The Little Mermaid sucks, but it’s a staple as well, we did it last year.
Cursed Child is tough. I hear amazing things, my artistic director adores it (she’s a huge HP fan, super-cute because she is in her 60s), but, like, MAN. I don’t want to give $$ to that awful transphobe piece of shit JKR. And I *do* love HP. Grr.
 
But Sir Christopher Lee got to sing a bit, so that is cool.
Been a minute since I've seen the film, but wasn't his role cut? I think he was supposed to be one of the ghosts in the prologue or something, but it got cut out. Or is he in the final film and I'm misremembering?

The man is no stranger to singing, though. His symphonic metal albums are legendary. What couldn't that man do?
 
Whoa now!!
Aladdin has a great reputation, The Lion King is legit a legendary marvel (JULIE FUCKING TAYMOR), and Beauty and the Beast is an absolute staple! My first pro regional theatre job was understudying a union guy playing Gaston! The Little Mermaid sucks, but it’s a staple as well, we did it last year.
Cursed Child is tough. I hear amazing things, my artistic director adores it (she’s a huge HP fan, super-cute because she is in her 60s), but, like, MAN. I don’t want to give $$ to that awful transphobe piece of shit JKR. And I *do* love HP. Grr.
I saw Cursed Child back around the time it first opened, luckily before JK succumbed to the black mold. I know it's undergone an immense amount of changes since (apparently just cutting things out, though, not adding or fixing anything), and it suffers from a lot of the same things that Wicked does, in my opinion. The real magic- pun both intended and not intended- comes from the practicality of the effects on stage. Some of the effects are just downright awesome, and really lend credence to what makes live theatre so special. So if you go in under that notion, it's a fun show. But from a writing standpoint, it's fan-fiction at best. I don't even think JK was really all that involved with the writing, save for perhaps some consulting and ideas here and there. Plus, like you said, it's impossible- for me, at least- to go see it now without feeling the underlying ick from supporting such a person. I can see it lasting for a while longer, don't get me wrong, but the recent stunt casting of Tom Felton does make me think the cracks are starting to show a bit.

It did unfortunately not make the final cut. Anthony Stewart Head was another in that group. Big bummer.
You'd think we'd have learned our lesson from cutting Saruman from the theatrical edition of ROTK- one does not simply cut Christopher Lee from a movie. Another reason why I only acknowledge the extended editions.
 
Whoa now!!
Aladdin has a great reputation, The Lion King is legit a legendary marvel (JULIE FUCKING TAYMOR), and Beauty and the Beast is an absolute staple! My first pro regional theatre job was understudying a union guy playing Gaston! The Little Mermaid sucks, but it’s a staple as well, we did it last year.
I guess around here in the NJ/NYC area there are plenty of folks who look down on the Disney stuff as being for the tourist crowd, not real theatre amongst the NYC theatre elites. I am not one of them, but glad to know others recognize that Lion King was an amazing production and Beauty and the Beast is really fun on the stage. I never saw Little Mermaid (or Frozen).

Cursed Child is tough. I hear amazing things, my artistic director adores it (she’s a huge HP fan, super-cute because she is in her 60s), but, like, MAN. I don’t want to give $$ to that awful transphobe piece of shit JKR. And I *do* love HP. Grr.

I saw Cursed Child back around the time it first opened, luckily before JK succumbed to the black mold. I know it's undergone an immense amount of changes since (apparently just cutting things out, though, not adding or fixing anything), and it suffers from a lot of the same things that Wicked does, in my opinion. The real magic- pun both intended and not intended- comes from the practicality of the effects on stage. Some of the effects are just downright awesome, and really lend credence to what makes live theatre so special.
Yeah, the story is good but not great and the story probably doesn't need to be two nights, but I liked it overall. Some of the effects truly impressed me, especially the "time travel" effect. I saw it about a year or so into its run, so not sure how it might have been cut.

I understand not wanting to support certain folks but I've given up on paying too much attention to artists beliefs - I genuinely don't care what they think unless they include it as a point in their actual work (or who they collaborate with, or other direct impact) - at which point I have to decide if supporting that work is supporting their ideas/activism in a way I either do, or do not, want.
 
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This thread took a fun musical turn. :)

Galavant - this show had some really fantastic numbers and some very uneven writing BUT it KNEW it and wrote songs and jokes about it. "Hero's Journey" from episode two is a song I hum all the time - and for some reason it wasn't included in the album?! Great cast and I love the twist in episode one - that the one true love literally says "actually I choose the fame and fortune." Like any sane person - though she's deliciously nuts. Fun, fun show.

Buffy/SMG/OMWF - she is not the strongest singer - but it's not like she sought out a singing role. Her character suddenly sang and she did it just like the character would - I'm so glad she wasn't dubbed by someone "better" because of all the acting and emotional turning points of those songs. I have "Going Through the Motions" in my brain all the time and never once have wished for it to be anyone other than her.

Cursed Child - the magic effects are absolutely worth the ticket. To be genuinely surprised and dazzled at how they do things - that's magic. I only spotted one wire the entire show and that's only because the entire stage was lit up. I read the script years ago but saw the shorter version and it WHIZZES through the plot to its own detriment but I do prefer the revised ending where the subtext is no longer sub.

Wicked - both women are fantastic in their roles, but Grande outshines Erivo almost every time. Which is surprising to me because for 20 years I've always loved Elphaba more but Grande is so good that Glinda rules the movies. Really wish "The Girl in the Bubble" gave her anything unexpected to play because she deserved it.

When their casting was announced I was reading the news while sitting in the theatre for opening night of The Eternals and thought "well, that's not my Wicked - that's a Hollywood Bowl cast" because they are too old to play university students. That's still true, but they ended up being such a beautiful duo.
 
Holy crap, I lived off Hollywood and Van Ness for YEARS! Not quite so close to the Pantages as you, but still walking distance! I used to walk all up and down the boulevard, even walked to and from my place when I went clubbing! Which seems completely insane now.

Ah, so you were down by the 101 Freeway (Made famous in song as "Ventura Highway" by the rock group America). I used that freeway to go back to my base. I traveled on it quite a bit and it really was spectacular.

I used to walk up and down the boulevard a lot, too. Those were amazing days. I loved the shops and all the old movie memorabilia. And there were two great comic stores in the area: The Golden Apple on Melrose and The American Comic Book Company in Studio City. As someone who grew up loving classic movies and comics it was fair to say I was in heaven.

True story for people who love sci-fi. On June 4th, 1982, I saw Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and Poltergeist on the same day! I saw Star Trek at the Chinese theater and then walked down to the Pacific near Hollywood and Vine to see Poltergeist. And then, just three weeks later I saw Ridley Scott's Blade Runner and John Carpenter's The Thing, again both on the same day. Same two theaters.

Later that summer I saw Paul McCartney and Wings play at the Hollywood Bowl. What was really special about that night was Jack Kirby being in the audience. Yes, that Jack Kirby. The Fantastic Four Silver Surfer Thor Hulk X-Men Jack Kirby. The King. About halfway through his set, Paul said that they had a special guest in attendance and they asked Jack to stand up. Then they played Magneto and the Titanium Man! While they were playing there were Marvel Comics graphics on the screen behind them. My girlfriend whispered "You're like a geek magnet" and I had to laugh. I agreed with her. A month later I drove to San Diego for the first time to attend my first comic con. I saw Jack again and wanted to ask him about the concert but I was too nervous and shy. As far as I was concerned I was a peasant in the presence of royalty. I did ask him about that night a few years later and he said it was something he'll never forget. Me neither.

I loved my time in Hollywood. I just loved it. It was like I was living in a weird dream. I'd walk into the Roosevelt Hotel and imagine Shirley Temple tap dancing down the stairs. When I used the restroom at the Brown Derby or Musso and Franks I'd wonder if John Wayne, Cary Grant or Jimmy Stewart used the same urinal. Honest to God. That's the way my mind works.

So Ace, the next time you're walking on Hollywood Boulevard and see Fleetwood Mac's star on the walk of fame, know that I was there the day they were honored with it. The same with the Three Stooges. Their star is on Vine Street right between Hollywood and Sunset and right across the street from the Merv Griffin theater. I have no idea if that theater is still there or not but there was a huge crowd that day for the Stooges. One of the largest to ever attend a star ceremony I was told.

The next time I make it up that way I'll DM you. If you're not busy maybe we can do lunch. We can swap Hollywood stories.
 
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I understand not wanting to support certain folks but I've given up on paying too much attention to artists beliefs - I genuinely don't care what they think unless they include it as a point in their actual work (or who they collaborate with, or other direct impact) - at which point I have to decide if supporting that work is supporting their ideas/activism in a way I either do, or do not, want.

I'm posting this not to single you out, just to bring up what I think is a vital point in this particular case: JKR's advocacy and the money she's spent on anti-trans activism is deeply responsible for the passage of anti-trans laws in the UK. So this is a situation where separating art and artist can't apply; the art directly funds the artist's activism, and because of her wealth she is a legitimate danger to the rights of trans people in ways that most people can't be. Like you said, "direct impact" is very present here.
 
Here are my November watches so far; the Noirvember films are really hitting this year, although I feel like I always kinda want the dumbest horror and action stuff in between them so I don't get burnt out on the sad vibes (that run from Fire on the Plain to Kneeling Goddess was incredible but it was a full week of rainfall). Anyone else doing any noir this month?
 
I'm posting this not to single you out, just to bring up what I think is a vital point in this particular case: JKR's advocacy and the money she's spent on anti-trans activism is deeply responsible for the passage of anti-trans laws in the UK.
That's fair, to be honest I hadn't been paying attention to her beliefs beyond seeing the hype headlines of spats amongst her and the former cast - either distancing themselves or defending her - which I didn't read in depth. Did a little reading up after your post and she has been much more active and aggressive than I realized, so fair point.
 
Lucas isn't a hack. He's not a dude who blundered into success riding on people's coattails. We can put that one to bed.
Great post.

Like anybody. Anybody. Sometimes you need to self edit and kill your darlings, and all the time you need a third party or parties to question you or tell you no.

I think he also succeeded because he is authentic even when people do keep him in check. He says what he says. He means what he means, and he likes what he likes. That goes a long way with audiences, even if you are borrowing or inspired by other things. I think people care more about you being honest than they do about you being original, even if they don't know it.

I think about Twilight with this. The books not the movies. If you've ever seen or read an interview with the author, the idea was something she was passionate about. I truly believe that she lay in bed at night, getting hot and heavy thinking about vampires and werewolves. And because she was honest about it and put it on paper, it resonated with so many people.

All those knockoff books and movies didn't do as well because they were just trying to copy what was hot, but I don't think they legitimately had a hand in the front of their boxers about supernatural or alien romances. And that was what was resonating. At a time it printed money and you cannot deny that in our capitalist world. That was the power.

Even the movies, and I say this coming as a former nurse who worked with a lot of young women who were into this, the reason people didn't like. Kristen Stewart and were hypocritical and honestly had very little to do with her acting. However you feel about that. If you're familiar with the books, the main character is meant to be you. It's written as a self-insert fantasy.


It could have been Jodie Foster. It could have been Megan Fox. It could have been Damien. The fans coming from the books would never have been happy because the books role play and court you. And the movie could never do that.

Anyway, authenticity. Even when there are things you don't like and the majority does, it's speaking to them on some level. I especially think in the age of social media where so much has been brought to the surface and normalized with fandoms and kinks and tribal opinions, just being authentic is enough to cultivate an audience.

And clearly George knows how to do that, because a lot of other people have taken his toys and tried to repeat the formula and a lot of fans get really upset about how it doesn't quite hit the same.
 
Also: I really wish they hadn't put contacts in Kristen Stewart's eyes in the Twilight movies. Her eyes are so expressive and basically blocking them to match a character description was like kneecapping your quarterback, especially when most of the rest of the team has to wear them.
 
Y’all don’t want to hear what I think of Twilight. Damn franchise, books and movies, makes being a vampire fan way more annoying and actually makes it harder to do therapy sometimes. Fucking 50 Shades of Gray is a pain in the ass for that last part as well.

Kristin Stewart is an amazing actor though and I will watch any *other* films she makes. Same for Pattinson. Two of my favorite 21st century performers.
 
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