General Marvel Legends

altcunningham said:
Air it out.
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Eh, it's largely wishcasting. If the American comic industry really had any wider sense of self awareness I think they would have changed how they produce, market, and distribute books after the speculator crash. I think American comics would largely be healthier, smarter, and more worth the price if fewer of them were chained to a single genre and a monthly release format. And to some degree that's happened, just slower and not as universally as I think is warranted.

But y'know, who am I to say? It's been a while since I was a monthly reader. I check in on comics from time to time, and I still have a fair amount of friends and acquaintances in the industry, but at this point I'm the definition of a Sunday morning quarterback. I do wish the folks I new int he trenches had more time and better pay to do their work, but that's my stance on basically everyone in a artistic field (most fields come to think of it).
 
altcunningham said:
I would have ridden that one to the end. Every issue was... Something.
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I'm just so tired of Jason Todd Red Hood. He pops up now and again to complain to Batman: "You let the Joker kill me! Why don't you kill the Joker? I'm maaaaadddd!" What does that even mean? He didn't kill you, Red Hood, you're walking around right now. You got better. You honestly think Batman wanted Joker to take a crowbar to your ass? You understand he has a code against killing and you signed up anyway. Get over, it you crybaby. Creators, please retire this one-trick-pony of a brooding anti hero. Jason Todd should have stayed dead.

Sorry, I hijacked this thread big time.
 
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Re-alived Jason was most interesting in Morrison’s Batman and Robin run where he was 1) an outright villain and 2) nuts.
 
Yeah, it was pretty clear once Jason came back he basically had two speeds "I'm mad at dad" and "I'm Punisher in a batsuit". And there's just not a lot of vision to who that guy could be outside of that. Like, all the Robins were basically child soldiers, and this is the one who lost the most in that deal. Maybe there's some stuff to mine there about him trying to find healing through mentoring young heroes? I could see him going this weird route where he wants to direct young kids with powers, but hey fighting supervillains is a great way to die, so instead he makes a young super team that are basically caped first responders and it's effectively ER or Rescue 911 in spandex.

Or maybe he's a character who would work better if he took all that backstory and became the "what if Bruce Wayne retired from crime fighting?" character. A guy who's like "this stuff didn't work, so I'm going to do something different, but I still live in Gotham and I still know who Batman is, which complicates things".

edit: just off the top of my head ideas, not necessarily amazing, but like, it's the year of our lord 2025, there's got to be more space in this genre that Jason could explore.
 
Armchair quarterbacking on Legends... trying to figure out what the biggest misstep of the year has been so far:

  • Body choice for basketball Gambit using articulation that was designed to be covered
  • Rubber overlay for Maximum Hulk, and having Dragon Man come out months later with the same range of motion without using an overlay
  • Jean's boots
I'm giving the Legends team a pass on the SDCC set Pulse sale... seems to be a technical problem as opposed to something the Legends team did.
 
Biggest misstep is Jean.

They acknowledged the boots. Jesse said it was his personal call at some point. So they had it and fumbled. Even then correcting it is just paint, not engineering. So what gives?

Hulk is fine. I don't want it or like it, but I mean I'm fine with them experimenting. Maybe not on a flagship character in a brand new line, but I appreciate the experimentation. Could even argue Dragon Man was like control B against control A for whatever they do forward. It does suck that fans were the collateral on that.

Gambit's whatever. They have other Marvel Legends. That also look just as stupid and they are designed to look like that. I'm also curious about this reuse across lines. I saw a review of the Thunderbolts and the guy kept saying that Yelena was reuse of Joe. We here know that's not possible but... They just broke the rules over there with Gambit.
 
altcunningham said:
Biggest misstep is Jean.

They acknowledged the boots. Jesse said it was his personal call at some point. So they had it and fumbled. Even then correcting it is just paint, not engineering. So what gives?

Hulk is fine. I don't want it or like it, but I mean I'm fine with them experimenting. Maybe not on a flagship character in a brand new line, but I appreciate the experimentation. Could even argue Dragon Man was like control B against control A for whatever they do forward. It does suck that fans were the collateral on that.

Gambit's whatever. They have other Marvel Legends. That also look just as stupid and they are designed to look like that. I'm also curious about this reuse across lines. I saw a review of the Thunderbolts and the guy kept saying that Yelena was reuse of Joe. We here know that's not possible but... They just broke the rules over there with Gambit.
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The boots being different than the art on the package which is how it appears side-by-side on the shelf is a bad look. Bush league.

A rubber overlay... maybe I'm showing my age a bit - but I own the Morbius, movie Wolverine and Sabretooth... ALL of them melted. I'm sure technique has improved in 20+ years, but I am seeing reports of the torso ripping already. In 2 years...3... 5... the problems will be adding up, I bet. Taking such a historically questionable swing for the second release of a new line already mired in controversy with the pricing... not the best call.

If I had to guess, based on precedent - there are some sort of licensing costs applied to the molds used for each line. For that reason, ACTIVE lines cannot share parts or bodies. I'm willing to bet that Hasbro and the NBA took such a huge bath on those figures which did not sell well at all, and the line ended before it started, the bodies were not only available - they wanted to recoup costs on the original tooling. I doubt Yelena is based on a Joe. Doubt that's correct. Plus, it would change everything we thought we knew. Everything.
 
Yeah, I'm not much for rubber overlays. Storm always feels dicey to me, but none have let me down. I'm curious how Jada wlll hold up. I don't really understand the hesitation to give Hulk the forward butterflies. Does it look worse than Wolverine and other figures just because he's bigger so it stands out more?

I do a lot of Joe and Yelena is 100% just new Legends. Which is great, MCU fans should get that effort.

I could make a case that Hulk might have been the biggest screw up because he's tent pole character and maximum was new, and it also didn't seem to pay out. Even without the overlay, people just didn't like the head sculpts out the gate. So that figure is a huge Miss at all stages, I'd say.

But I'm still going to keep Jean in the lead. It's a rookie screw up. But maybe it's intentional because when they inevitably drop her in red they can say look, she has the boots and maybe people that were happy with green are still going to make that move for the boots.
 
So have the Spidey reissues been released and sold out already somewhere? I was hoping to get a Rhino. I missed him both previous times.
 
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