Four Horsemen Studios Mythic Legions

docsilence said:
I haven't picked up any of their stuff yet, but been meaning to.
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I'm legitimately overjoyed with the few figures I have. I'm SO excited about the dwarf figure, whenever that finally comes out. And they've already shown off some kind of goblin-y thing at one of the shows that looked really good.
In terms of aesthetics and functionality/articulation, I really think Savage blows Mythic out of the water, and not just because I have strong opinions about the Four Horsemen. Just as toys, I think Savage makes better, more fun toys. Once they get around to releasing that goblin they showed off, and start getting into more goblin and fantasy creatures, I can't see there being an argument for ML being a better fantasy line.


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Damien said:
I'm legitimately overjoyed with the few figures I have. I'm SO excited about the dwarf figure, whenever that finally comes out. And they've already shown off some kind of goblin-y thing at one of the shows that looked really good.
In terms of aesthetics and functionality/articulation, I really think Savage blows Mythic out of the water, and not just because I have strong opinions about the Four Horsemen. Just as toys, I think Savage makes better, more fun toys. Once they get around to releasing that goblin they showed off, and start getting into more goblin and fantasy creatures, I can't see there being an argument for ML being a better fantasy line.


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Probably worth moving it over to the other thread dedicated to it, but I've only ever seen one Savage Crucible figure for sale anywhere since I heard of them. I'm certainly enough of a fantasy nut to try a second line.

I have big problems with Mythic Legions in terms of QC, durability, etc., but they're fun for what they are. I think my biggest complaint about them is that I'm just afraid to damage them. I know you don't like Spero much either, but I find myself comparing them a lot because Mythic Legions are delicate art and that makes me anxious, but Warriors of the Animal Kingdom figures are kinda basic and very much TOYS instead of collectibles, but I feel like I can kinda bang them around a bit in poses and setups and not freak out about paint scratches and such. Always looking for that sweet spot in the middle, toys that are magnificent to look at but still can be treated like, well, toys.
 
docsilence said:
I have big problems with Mythic Legions in terms of QC, durability, etc., but they're fun for what they are. I think my biggest complaint about them is that I'm just afraid to damage them. I know you don't like Spero much either, but I find myself comparing them a lot because Mythic Legions are delicate art and that makes me anxious, but Warriors of the Animal Kingdom figures are kinda basic and very much TOYS instead of collectibles, but I feel like I can kinda bang them around a bit in poses and setups and not freak out about paint scratches and such. Always looking for that sweet spot in the middle, toys that are magnificent to look at but still can be treated like, well, toys.
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I can't speak to Animal Warriors, and probably never will because fuck those guys, but I get what you're saying about ML. That was kind of always my feeling about Four Horsemen's in-house figures. I go way back to the Fwoosh Exclusive Red Elephant, Scarabus, and the Birds Kickstarter. All of those figures were absolutely beautiful, and NONE of them felt like toys that I could actually play with and enjoy.

In fact, The Fwooshephant deteriorated and fell apart all on its own, Scarabus kept falling over even if I pegged him into a stand that I had to buy on my own because 4H doesn't include stands even for a guy with limited leg articulation and hooves for feet, and ditto for the Birds who also kept fucking falling over (and couldn't be pegged onto stands). The Elephant got tossed in the garbage, I think, and I sold everything else.

Then I got the original ML knights because... knights. And the joints fucking sucked. I'd watch them slowly spread-eagle themselves on the shelf and then fall over, or watch them tip forward or backward from their ankles giving out. And they couldn't pose very well, either. They were the quintessence of action figures that were dated in their design choices before they were even released, and then not even made with decent enough quality control to make it excusable.

I want toys that feel like toys. The only exception I make to that is Mezco Conan figures because I'm a Conan fiend AND Mezco figures are BEAUTIFUL - far nicer to look at on the shelf than anything the 4H do. And I say that as someone with a storied history of bitching about Mezco and vowing not to buy from them anymore, so there you go.

The 4H don't really make good toys, is what I'm getting at. And if confronted with a toy company making GOOD TOYS, that articulate better, look just as nice or nicer, have similar price points, and can crank out similar fantasy archetypes? I can't see Four Horsemen's ML line maintaining its place as the most popular line of fantasy action figures. And it shouldn't. It holds that place literally by virtue of being the only one.
 
Damien said:
I can't speak to Animal Warriors, and probably never will because fuck those guys, but I get what you're saying about ML. That was kind of always my feeling about Four Horsemen's in-house figures. I go way back to the Fwoosh Exclusive Red Elephant, Scarabus, and the Birds Kickstarter. All of those figures were absolutely beautiful, and NONE of them felt like toys that I could actually play with and enjoy.

In fact, The Fwooshephant deteriorated and fell apart all on its own, Scarabus kept falling over even if I pegged him into a stand that I had to buy on my own because 4H doesn't include stands even for a guy with limited leg articulation and hooves for feet, and ditto for the Birds who also kept fucking falling over (and couldn't be pegged onto stands). The Elephant got tossed in the garbage, I think, and I sold everything else.

Then I got the original ML knights because... knights. And the joints fucking sucked. I'd watch them slowly spread-eagle themselves on the shelf and then fall over, or watch them tip forward or backward from their ankles giving out. And they couldn't pose very well, either. They were the quintessence of action figures that were dated in their design choices before they were even released, and then not even made with decent enough quality control to make it excusable.

I want toys that feel like toys. The only exception I make to that is Mezco Conan figures because I'm a Conan fiend AND Mezco figures are BEAUTIFUL - far nicer to look at on the shelf than anything the 4H do. And I say that as someone with a storied history of bitching about Mezco and vowing not to buy from them anymore, so there you go.

The 4H don't really make good toys, is what I'm getting at. And if confronted with a toy company making GOOD TOYS, that articulate better, look just as nice or nicer, have similar price points, and can crank out similar fantasy archetypes? I can't see Four Horsemen's ML line maintaining its place as the most popular line of fantasy action figures. And it shouldn't. It holds that place literally by virtue of being the only one.
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I honestly was hoping Hasbro would knock it out of the park with their D&D line - a fantasy series as durable and toyetic as Star Wars Black Series, Marvel Legends, or heavens to betsy, Classified? I'd never need a Mythic Legions figures again. But their D&D figures were hot garbage, every single one of them. So for now, they're scratching that itch best. And they have gotten better - the most recent knights are infinitely better than the first generation knights. But I still find QC problems more often than I'd like.

This has me thinking about where I'd put Frazetta or Hacks figures. Frazetta is making works of art too but I fret about breakage (maybe unnecessarily). Both lines feel less... hefty than ML. But basically all my prettiest fantasy figures give me heartburn that I might damage them.
 
Damien said:
I'm legitimately overjoyed with the few figures I have. I'm SO excited about the dwarf figure, whenever that finally comes out. And they've already shown off some kind of goblin-y thing at one of the shows that looked really good.
In terms of aesthetics and functionality/articulation, I really think Savage blows Mythic out of the water, and not just because I have strong opinions about the Four Horsemen. Just as toys, I think Savage makes better, more fun toys. Once they get around to releasing that goblin they showed off, and start getting into more goblin and fantasy creatures, I can't see there being an argument for ML being a better fantasy line.


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Sell me on one or two to try out.
 
docsilence said:
I honestly was hoping Hasbro would knock it out of the park with their D&D line - a fantasy series as durable and toyetic as Star Wars Black Series, Marvel Legends, or heavens to betsy, Classified? I'd never need a Mythic Legions figures again. But their D&D figures were hot garbage, every single one of them. So for now, they're scratching that itch best. And they have gotten better - the most recent knights are infinitely better than the first generation knights. But I still find QC problems more often than I'd like.
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I LOVED Hasbro's first Drizzt figure (except for his super weird skin tone). Then it kind of floated around my collection for what must have been 2 years (?) with NOTHING else, so I finally sold it. Right after I sold it, they kicked up their other D&D stuff, which was all trash. But I'm kind of sad that I got rid of Drizzt. Given that he's supposed to be around 5' tall, he would have fit in really well with something like Savage Crucible where the humans are 7" since Drizzt was just about 6".


docsilence said:
This has me thinking about where I'd put Frazetta or Hacks figures. Frazetta is making works of art too but I fret about breakage (maybe unnecessarily). Both lines feel less... hefty than ML. But basically all my prettiest fantasy figures give me heartburn that I might damage them.
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Yeah - I'm still undecided on the Frazetta figures. I like them, but I don't think I need them. Then Eamon just showed off a Conan figure from a totally different company that looks way better. I'm pretty excited about that one. I'm hoping it turns out to be fairly sturdy and playable. I've heard the stuff Eamon is doing is all fairly durable and solid so far.



ManOfTheLamb said:
Wait, why?
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It's a bit of a long story, but I can try to be brief:
Prior to fulfillment on their 'Primal Series' Kickstarter figures, I reached out to ask if they were going to use USPS for delivery outside the US and they said they would. I confirmed that again shortly before fulfillment and even pointed out that I absolutely want my figures shipped USPS (and thus - they go to CanadaPost when they cross the border).

The reason for this, as I pointed out at the time, is that USPS turns over to CanadaPost and the most we get charged is whatever the actual import duty would be. On, say, a 100 dollar package it might be like 8 bucks or something. Very minor. This is how I get all my BBTS packages and I've never had a problem. But, as I explained multiple times in my dealings with Spero, carrier partners like UPS and FedEx charge a ton of extra fees to cross the border, and those fees go directly to the recipient. And those fees are enormous. Like, they can amount to 50% (or more) of the cost of the value on the package kind of enormous.

AAAAANYWAY... fulfillment happened and they shipped my figures UPS. Important to note that they also did not ship the entire order. They shipped less than half. But they declared the full value of my entire Kickstarter order on the package. So I got hit with import taxes and brokerage fees for figures that -weren't even in the box-. It was like two action figures and the brokerage fees alone were something like 70 dollars, plus import fees/taxes (which were inflated over what they should have been because that's how UPS rolls).

I sent the package back and said I wanted a refund, which they said they'd give me. What followed was like a fucking year of chasing them, them telling me they gave me the refund already, me telling them that no they fucking did not. The entire time, and I mean the entire time, Jason's little secretary whose name I forgot, the pissant that answers all his emails, was a cunt. And he had the fucking temerity to bitch when after almost a YEAR of waiting for my refund I got angry and said something like 'this is honestly bullshit.'
Then, after I finally got real angry, all of a sudden they 'figured out' that I hadn't actually been refunded and they finally sent me the money back.

Never once in this entire fiasco did I even get a simple 'hey, sorry this happened.' Or 'this was our fault.' Not once. Jason's secretary is a cunt and Jason doesn't know how to run a company. It was quite literally the worst experience I've ever had dealing with a toy company, and I've bought action figures from both Shocker Toys and Megalopolis.

So it is what it is - I haven't heard of other people having these kinds of problems with them so I'm not suggesting this is a widespread issue. But for my part, I wil never ever buy anything from them ever again. Should have learned my lesson when I took a bath on their first Kickstarter and sold all my figures off for literally pennies because they were poorly-made pieces of shit that no one wanted.

(I swear to you, that is actually the short version of the story -- I catalogued the entire experience on Fwoosh, way back when it happened. It was many posts.)
 
Damien said:
I LOVED Hasbro's first Drizzt figure (except for his super weird skin tone). Then it kind of floated around my collection for what must have been 2 years (?) with NOTHING else, so I finally sold it. Right after I sold it, they kicked up their other D&D stuff, which was all trash. But I'm kind of sad that I got rid of Drizzt. Given that he's supposed to be around 5' tall, he would have fit in really well with something like Savage Crucible where the humans are 7" since Drizzt was just about 6".
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Not to derail the thread, but I FORGOT about Drizz't and I literally have him on the desk in front of me - they DID nail that figure. TWICE! The second version is even better! If they made all their figures that quality I'd be raving about the line. And to be fair, their monsters are actually very fun. The human/humanoids are gawdawful though, but Drizz't, his panther whose name I refuse to try to spell, the displacer beast, and the beholder are all kinda chilling in my office. The owlbears were sort of TOO toyish so I like 'em but not enough to display them. And to stay on topic, they really don't look like they belong on the shelf with Mythic Legions--there's just a ... sharpness the Hasbro ones lack next to the ML stuff I think?
Damien said:
Yeah - I'm still undecided on the Frazetta figures. I like them, but I don't think I need them. Then Eamon just showed off a Conan figure from a totally different company that looks way better. I'm pretty excited about that one. I'm hoping it turns out to be fairly sturdy and playable. I've heard the stuff Eamon is doing is all fairly durable and solid so far.
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I have a few of the Frazetta figures and to be fair, I REALLY like them, especially Dark Wolf. And they DO scale well with Legions, though they are a leaner, meaner body type (but adds variety). I waited til the last day to order their Conan and was totally wooed by the stop motion advertisement they made for it. I'm legit looking forward to having him lead a charge with some of the ML barbarian types. (Even though I skipped their Viking.)

Back fully on thread topic - cracked open the new handful of Legions I got today. Sir Andrew and Sir Enoch might be some of my favorite face sculpts yet. They're just so world-weary, lot of personality to them. They DO make me regret picking up Ignatius just a bit because Iggy has the old, too-tight hands from the original figures and I realy like the newer, better scaled hands on the newer knights. I kinda regret pickig up Bothar because I prefer dwarves with visible faces, but I think I might stick that blond-bearded dwarven head that will ship from BBTS later this year on to this body anyway.
 
Sir Enoch is one of the few Legions figures I seriously considered ordering. I really like the surcoat look. But ultimately they're just too expensive for figures that I'm not convinced I'm going to love.
 
Damien said:
I bet Savage Crucible will.
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Is all their shit anthropomorphic? I don't mind a little fuzzy dude here or there—in fact, I'm eagerly awaiting 4H's little fox dude—but nothing turns me off like a toy line full of tiger people.

My fantasy/D&D shelf is almost entirely 4H (with the exception of NECA Elkhorn). I agree that it's by default. I'd rather 6", better articulated figures. Like doc, I was hoping Hasbro's D&D line would take off. Unfortunately, they half-assed it.
 
TheSameIdiot said:
Is all their shit anthropomorphic? I don't mind a little fuzzy dude here or there—in fact, I'm eagerly awaiting 4H's little fox dude—but nothing turns me off like a toy line full of tiger people.
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No. I've got a pic of my figures in the Savage Crucible thread. The first wave was lizard people, and the third wave is fish people. But the second (current) wave is barbarian guys. And they're doing Elric of Melnibone. And there's a dwarf and a goblin they've shown off but haven't been slotted into the line-up anywhere yet.
 
Opened up the wave tonight and I am definitely having "fool me twice, shame on me" x a hundred feelings. I feel like every time you open a Mythic Legions figure the gods flip a coin to determine if something is fucked up with it.

Sir Enoch - BEAUTIFUL figure. Dagger snapped off at the hilt taking it out of the package. They've started using better vacuum packaging to protect the accessories instead of just dumping everything in a plastic bag. Sounds great! Unless the goddamned tray is so tight you can slip just slightly and break stuff.

Sir Andrew - BEAUTIFUL figure. But his cape is FIDDLY AF. And it shipped inside out so I struggled for 25 minutes to get it on only to realize I had it upside down. And then I noticed that his left arm is just a little too tight in the socket and the paint scraped off IMMEDIATELY. Not ruined, but it's gonna irritate the CRAP out of me that he was damaged just testing his joints. Also his visor is so tight if I raise or lower it it scrapes the paint.

Sir Ignatius - ALMOST perfect. But the swivels on his feet: competely frozen. He's useable. He looks great. But I can't get those feet to turn.

Bothar - one pauldron impossible to get into the peg. I can't explain it. It's just like, 25% too big. Otherwise, he's fine.

Gorthokk - needed a bunch of heat to get his shoulders and wrists to move, but after that, he's just fine.

I swear, every other wave I have these little problems, but then I forget about them and I buy more. Sorry for the rant, but what a kick in the balls to have the two knights damaged within seconds of opening them, and I've been looking forward to those dudes for so long. Credit where credit's due, though, the face sculpt and paint colors are exquisite.
 
Whenever I get new Legions figures, I usually want to swap out the weapons, hands, heads, or some other aspect of their armor so my first step is to soak them in hot water or hit them with a hair dryer if they have soft goods. I swap my parts and while the figure's still warm, I wiggle every joint on the figure. The heat fixes all the frozen ankles and too-large pegs while keeping the paint scraping or peg breaking to a minimum. It's an extra step that you can argue shouldn't need to be done, but it's a crucial step for swapping parts and it's kept my figures functional and fairly blemish-free.

I got the dwarf skeleton and wizard skeleton and they're both great, except for their beards. A beard on a skeleton just feels like such a 90s skate deck aesthetic and while I was a 90s skate rat, I don't want that look for these figures. I swapped the wizard skelton's bearded jaw with a spare Wal-torr jaw I bought just for this purpose and it's a perfect paint match. Now I'm on the hunt for a head from the new skeleton raider to use on my dwarf skelly.
 
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