Four Horsemen Studios Mythic Legions

Y'know, now that I'm thinking on it I could probably rattle off 5-10 skeleton or goblin names but I probably wouldn't remember which was which. The bone theme is fun even if I can never remember which one is Tibulus and which one is Scapular but it's not a bad theme. I definitely can't remember which goblin in Thumpp, though Snagg I remember cause he just looks like a sketchy klepto. (I really do love their goblin figures, and I have not looked at them the same way since reading Christopher Beuhlmann's the Blacktongue Thief and Daughters War books, cos he made fantasy goblins the scariest effing things I've ever read. Mythic orcs I want to sympathize with. Mythic goblins, those guys fight mean.)
 
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Definitely.
But also the names are just stupid. It absolutely reeks of 'just make it hard to pronounce and that makes it fantasy.' Dragonlance and FR were bad for this with Elf names. I don't know how to describe it except to say it is the pinnacle of a lack of creativity masquerading as creativity. 4H needs to hire an actual writer to do this stuff for them. Because every time they release a wave, I almost die of second-hand embarrassment looking at the naming and story stuff.

Checkout Dequitem on YouTube. Amazing unscripted armored combat videos using historical weapons and techniques. Half-swording was one of the most effective combat stances for sword combat.


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The names from first Kickstarter stick with me, but that’s about it. Gideon Heavensbrand, Ignatius, Attila, Attlus, Gorgo, Bloodknight. Otherwise I need to look up names.


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So here's a question, totally mean for it to be funny - which Legions names do you actually remember? Because I really do think since most of us are just head-canon-ing these characters anyway the names really are just something to put on the box as a placeholder. I know for me it's blue dragon guy, green dragon guy, black dragon guy, beardy orc, lady orc, etc. But there's a few I always remember, like Hadriana, Magnus, Sir Gideon Heavensbrand, Juno stuck in my head for some reason (I know there's a double letter in there somewhere but), Duban, Thistlethorn, Brontus. But some of my favorite figures, like, top shelf love 'em, are the wizards, orcs, and elves whose names I can never remember. The ones that have real world connotations that are easy to spell, though, those guys stick with me. Balam! I always forget where they stuck the apostrophe but my first catman is still one of my favorites too, I remember his name usually.
Hadriana.

I really like that name. It works so well for the character I wrote up in my head off the name and figure.
 
Joffrey, Kevan/Cevan, and Arya are actually real historical names - true story.
They're real current names too; prominent person in my field named Kevan (which he pronounces "Kay-von" and is how I heard it when reading GoT, docsilence, if that helps to get Catherine O'Hara's voice out of your head). But you're right, Damien, and use of historical events and names is part of Martin's trick. Kevin feels more contemporary and familiar to much of Martin's audience whereas Kevan feels a step to the side of that, a step into a world that likewise feels familiar in many real world ways but different enough in fantastical ways to draw you in.

At any rate, I like Kevan as a fantasy name more than alternatives of Kevin or Quil'tha'leas.
 
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but because of that the line doesn't have a strong identity of it's own beyond some light theming around good guy and bad guy faction armor and color use. It cut's both ways, y'know? Makes it easy for everyone to head-cannon their own characters in, but also isn't so singular that you want to know what the lore is.

You can definitely have a good debate over what approach is better. I think people that defend the 'who cares, these figures are just meant to do your own thing with' are drastically under-estimating the power of franchises that are able to sell you on characters you don't care about the design of, because you care about the character. I've never bought a Luke Skywalker or even a Cobra Commander figure because I thought the figure itself just looked too awesome not to own. There's absolutely power in getting people to care about your characters.

On the other hand, that can absolutely be stifling and, weirdly, I've definitely spoken to people that don't feel right buying a 'bad guy' figure to put with their 'good guys' or whatever. So you can create arbitrary barriers by having lore that anyone actually cares about following.


Checkout Dequitem on YouTube. Amazing unscripted armored combat videos using historical weapons and techniques. Half-swording was one of the most effective combat stances for sword combat.

I'm very familiar with Dequitem. He makes really fun videos. I do have some problems with the presentation. I don't think he adequately explains the difference between what he's doing and what real combat would look like, and tends to present his stuff as 'this is what it would look like because I'm not choreographing this.' But not using choreography and actually fighting with real weapons with the intent to kill each other are very, very different things. Again, I still really like his videos. I just think it presents maybe the wrong picture.
Worse, I actually think he gives pretty iffy historical commentary (sometimes!) based on his experience -- which is experience fighting people using 'safe' weapons and not actually trying to kill him that he has extrapolated into being the same thing as using war weapons and trying to kill each other, for some reason.

Anywhooo... the two things I actually wanted to point out were that you don't need metal gauntlets to half-sword (you don't even need gloves at all, although it's certainly advisable - and metal gauntlets are the same as leather gloves on the actual part that touches the sword anyway), and that it's really intended to overcome a weakness of swords specifically against plate armor. I definitely wouldn't call it one of the most effective stances (to be all 'well actually' - it's a technique not a stance). It's effective against plate armor because nothing else you can do with a sword really is. But in an unarmored duel with longswords, you'll get your face split in half if you try to half-sword, unless you're already in specific binds.

I had a few successes with half-sword, but it was a binding technique after binding out of certain guard positions like posta longa or posta di fenestra (I did Fiore, primarily). In most cases, I never even saw unarmored use of half-sword techniques because it shortens your reach too much and exposes your hands. Even with gauntlets on, there are parts of your hand that are easy to target and very scary to get hit in (basically the top and bottom of the hand - it hurts like crazy and with a sharp it could definitely disable your hand, possibly for life).

But yeah, if you and your opponent are fully armored in plate - if you're stuck using a sword - half-swording is basically the only way to have any affect on the target at all. If you're unarmored and your opponent is fully armored... I mean, just run away. You're dead 100% of the time.

Forgive me for prattling. I think everyone knows by now that I love this subject quite dearly. Feel free to ignore me.
 
Hadriana.

I really like that name. It works so well for the character I wrote up in my head off the name and figure.
I've been low-key obsessed with the name Hadrian forever, so her name really stuck with me as well. I swear I've got a half-dozen iterations of the name between TTRPGs and video games like I've been trying to find the exact version of a character who would have that name for years.
 
Sorry, I was just talking about half-swording solely in the plate armored vs plate armored context, which is the main thing that interests me. Absolutely doesn’t make sense to me to half-sword in unarmored combat.

I guess I was just assuming that one would wear mail and gauntlets to half-sword. After you mentioned this, I see know that some people half-sword barehanded even.

In terms of character designs, I just prefer the look of a full suit of plate armor with matching gauntlets and greaves and sabaton.


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Sorry, I was just talking about half-swording solely in the plate armored vs plate armored context, which is the main thing that interests me. Absolutely doesn’t make sense to me to half-sword in unarmored combat.

I guess I was just assuming that one would wear mail and gauntlets to half-sword. After you mentioned this, I see know that some people half-sword barehanded even.
No - my mistake and I just blathered on about it because, you know, of course. You do half-sword in unarmoured combat a bit. But as I said, it's a technique rather than a guard position that you stand around in. In armored fighting, you may just hold that as a guard position because you're probably not going to do anything but half-sword if you want to be effective.

I've done a fair amount of test cutting in my time and, of course like any good sword nerd, I had to mess around with half-swording thrusts as well. Honestly, doing that without gloves on is kind of terrifying. I know that, life or death situation, you would just do it on instinct and worry later. But goddamn it is unsettling to have your hands on a sharp blade like that.
Doing it with gloves on does feel a lot better. Which is weird because, realistically, the gloves probably won't save you if you mess up. Haha.


In terms of character designs, I just prefer the look of a full suit of plate armor with matching gauntlets and greaves and sabaton.
I don't mind various types of half-armor situations, but I don't think it's done very well in either fantasy art or in toy form. If I were to critique this particular 4H figure, and I will, here is what I would say:

Lower canons don't look like that. It's a fantasy-ism that seems to mistakenly combine the lower canon with the gauntlet itself. So the flared ends you see should be lower and part of a gauntlet. If only his forearm is armored and not his hand, it should be tighter to the forearm and mostly just a cylinder.

The visored close helmet is too heavy a piece of kit to be wearing if you're not actually bothering to be fully armored. I'd argue that's probably also true of the huge pauldrons. (Those are just.. wrong.. anyway because you don't lace your pauldrons through your surcoat - that's always bugged me about the way the 4H do surcoat/tabard-wearing guys in armor.)

So yeah.. nitpicky, I guess. But I think you could do the 'partial armor' look a lot better. Or, as you said, just finish the armored look. Especially if you're going with the surcoat/tabard look, which I actually thinks just looks better on a fully armored figure anyway.
 
The rest of the All Stars 6 wave finally arrived at the 4H warehouse and it sounds like the all-in sets have already shipped out, so those of us with smaller orders should see shipping emails soon.
 
I reckon I'll be waiting or All Stars for a bit. I only got the three knights IIRC. Which is fine, I'm in no rush. I ended up caving and getting Enoch's horse through BBTS separately but again, it'll get here when it gets here. An old knight on an old horse, right?

I just admitted to myself what I was going to do all along and ordered the full wave from the new set. It's just too, too, toooooo much my jam. A Viking, a helmetless female character, a furry little guy, a weird little guy, a fricken bear, a fricken WEREWOLF, and all those accessories, too good. And if I was spending all that much money anyway, just spending a little more to go all in and get the frost orc isn't that huge a stretch, the budget was already screaming. I'm actually glad they revealed this set in the same year we're supposed to get Rising Sons so I'll get my wintery, barbarian/viking fix some time in the next 6-12 months and not in three years.
 
I got my shipping notification today informing me know that my package had actually shipped a few days ago and will arrive tomorrow. I only ordered two skeletons and some belts so I think we should all be getting shipping notifications pretty soon.
 
Received the rest of my singles tonight, Thorasis and — correcting a big mistake I made in 2018 when I sold my first version — Gorthokk the great.

I haven't had a chance to open him yet, but Thorasis is looking really, really good with the soft goods cloak and exposed skeleton.

Now I gotta track down some skeleton raiders that I didn't know I wanted back at the time of the preorder — in the days before the skeleton legion builder 2 ensnared me in its bony grasp ...
 
I'm pretty patient about getting these latest, but I just went back and re-checked my order and I did get more than just the two new knights. I got Gorthokk as well, and an extra one of him because I thought he'd be a good base body to put the black panther head and tail on. But I've since put those on a black armoury knight so I'll have to rethink the second one (maybe just use the generic helmeted head). Gorthokk doesn't even have a plug for the tail anyway, right? I'm a dumbass sometimes.

I got Bothar because there can never be too many dwarves, and Ignatius to fill out the standard knights army. So a nice set of five showing up. No shipping notice yet but they'll get here when they get here, not in a hurry.
 
I should have a bunch of stuff from the All-Stars wave coming. No shipping notice yet. I think I got all the new characters. I didn’t go all-in because I already had the repeats.

Can’t wait for the bronze Fire mage knight, giant undead black knight, Thorasis, and the new Crusader and horse!


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