Four Horsemen Studios Mythic Legions

I think I want Not Achilles. I might use him as Not Odysseus instead.

If I'm only ordering one figure, is it cheaper to do so through BBTS?
The latest Four Horsemen IG post indicates Dawn of Discovery standard figures are going to retail at $55. Standards have typically been $49.99. So it's probably a little better of a deal to preorder from Store Horsemen at $42. Of course, SH takes your money right away while BBTS doesn't collect till the figures arrive ...
 
The latest Four Horsemen IG post indicates Dawn of Discovery standard figures are going to retail at $55.

I'm at the point that I've talked myself out of the entire line other than the accessory pack / treasure chest. So much of 4H is reuse and the prices keep escalating and then there's the waiting of 1-2 yrs before you ever get your stuff. Unless something jumps out at me as a "have to have" 4H have mostly removed themselves from my to-buy list. I have a lot of other stuff way ahead on the list before I get to 4H anymore.
 
I'm at the point that I've talked myself out of the entire line other than the accessory pack / treasure chest. So much of 4H is reuse and the prices keep escalating and then there's the waiting of 1-2 yrs before you ever get your stuff. Unless something jumps out at me as a "have to have" 4H have mostly removed themselves from my to-buy list. I have a lot of other stuff way ahead on the list before I get to 4H anymore.
Yeah. Anytime I am excited by something, this point I realize not only is it coming late, but I think I'm on like 2 or 3 years behind at this point.

I do want the dwarves. But when did those go up? And I want the new Delphina, that's like what 2028-2029 as the Four Horsemen fly?
 
I'm at the point that I've talked myself out of the entire line other than the accessory pack / treasure chest. So much of 4H is reuse and the prices keep escalating and then there's the waiting of 1-2 yrs before you ever get your stuff. Unless something jumps out at me as a "have to have" 4H have mostly removed themselves from my to-buy list. I have a lot of other stuff way ahead on the list before I get to 4H anymore.

I'm sorry, but what action figure line DOESN'T involve reuse of bucks? For most "collector" lines that's baked into the DNA of it.

I can agree on the prices and the lead time, which is why I just go with BBTS in case I decide I don't want it later on, I'm not out the money when I put the preorder in.
 
The shipping estimates on the front page of sourcehorsemen.com have always been a little too optimistic. Since the Poxxus wave, 4H pre-orders have typically been 2 years and a few months out. If they can deliver Ashes of Agbendor by June and Reign of Beasts by next November, they'll have shaved that window back down to 2 years.

For the new Delphina, you're realistically looking at the very end of 2027 or early 2028.
 
I'm sorry, but what action figure line DOESN'T involve reuse of bucks? For most "collector" lines that's baked into the DNA of it.

I can agree on the prices and the lead time, which is why I just go with BBTS in case I decide I don't want it later on, I'm not out the money when I put the preorder in.

Not to speak for anyone else, but I'd argue it's a combination thing. Like, if your line is SO heavily dependent on re-use, why does it also take so long to release new products and why do the prices keep going up on tools that have paid for themselves a thousand times over? Also, for my personal tastes, there's a lot more re-use in the 4H lines than there actually should be. This isn't "all superheroes wear spandex and are jacked, so 3 bodies across 100 figures makes perfect sense." With 4H it really does start to feel cheap and lazy when it's just like.. another dude with big metal feet for some reason.
 
We're also not talking import figures or licensing rights to make them. These are characters someone made up in their head, are mostly reuse, if you get accessories, most of those are going to be reuse too, if you want extra hand expressions you can pay half of one of their figures for about 4 sets of hands which are also going to be reuse, wait 1-2 years for the stuff, and now the standard figure is greater than half of $100? Even if I preorder through 4H whatever savings I got from doing so is now counteracted by their $15+ shipping, so I'm probably looking at $60-$65 single figure (which may even be imp sized) and I get my money taken THAT day and have to wait.

There are just too many factors that collude to make it an absurd process and overpriced.

Don't get me wrong, I love SOME of their designs, but if I love something that much I'll pay slightly more through BBTS once it's out since at the going rate I'll be buying 0-1 figures a year from 4H.
 
The extra hands being a separate thing you need to order, and for a pretty ridiculous price, actually probably pisses me off more than anything else the 4H do besides maybe the possibility that they stole some of their designs from uncredited artists.
 
Not to speak for anyone else, but I'd argue it's a combination thing. Like, if your line is SO heavily dependent on re-use, why does it also take so long to release new products
Not exclusive to 4H, Hasbro and the others have done this, but I hate when they showcase a cool new figure. It's a ways out.

Here's the con exclusive or some other variant on an existing character using the parts, and it's out right now.

I know there's logistics behind it. It just irks me and my hype.
 
Even a line seemingly varied and all over the place like GI Joe Classified has a surprising amount of reuse in it. Repainting parts and using different gear combinations really hides the reuse well. Some lines do that really well and others is quite obvious what is getting reused over and over again. Some of the 4H figures are like that too. Some really obvious and doesn’t feel very new and others use clever new combinations and new parts and feel all new. I don’t feel they are really any better or worse in that regard than any other toy line.
 
In most ways the Four Horsemen reused doesn't bother me since it's armor, but I'm just looking at everything through a Warcraft filter where they constantly recolor and reskin stuff. I don't know. It works within most of the world for me.

GI Joe can get away with it for me because it's in the name. Government issued. Uniform.

It does bother me with Hasbro or McFarlane when they do reuse things and you recognize that they actually had a different part that would have had that piping or texture, so what the f***.

But there are a few in Legions where I'm like, that makes no sense that faction would have that pattern. Obviously that's exclusive to my own Canon.
 
But there are a few in Legions where I'm like, that makes no sense that faction would have that pattern. Obviously that's exclusive to my own Canon.
No, that's definitely something I notice when looking at peoples' photos of their collections and the different factions. Like, it feels like there's very little legitimate identity to anything in the line because it's based so heavily on re-use with little to no attempt made to hide it in the way Classified does.
And in some ways, the figures look to me like they were based more on what parts were available than actually creating a character. You know, the sense of "why is this character made up of these parts?" and the answer is "we slapped all these parts together on the table and named them, that's why."


I don’t feel they are really any better or worse in that regard than any other toy line.
Different lines, though. So different tolerances. To my point earlier, I think you get away with it a LOT more in superheroes because they're all wearing spandex and a lot of the arguments come down to whether individual collectors think this or that body -really- works for that character. It's more about interpretation.
With Legions you can make the same argument that the parts work elsewhere, but it's a more obviously manufactured excuse than a legitimate reason with foundation in previous media. Ten superheroes share the same body because they're just muscley guys with basically the same build and those figures are fairly accurate to the existing source they're based on. Ten Legions figures share the same body because the 4H wanted to save money.

That being said, I think the big complaint is, again, the combination of things. Like.. there's tons of re-use, but the figures take a really long time to come out AND they cost a lot. All three of those things should not be true at the same time. And with all that re-use, the 4H can't throw in the extra hands with the figures - you gotta buy them for half the cost of the figure itself? That doesn't make sense. Especially when you realize something like extra hands are so often thrown in with other lines specifically because they cost almost nothing to make and add a perception of value to the package.

I've said it before so it won't surprise anyone; I just think the 4H get WAY too much credit and far too much slack from collectors because of a cult of personality around them. Not because of anything they do to earn it.
 
And in some ways, the figures look to me like they were based more on what parts were available than actually creating a character. You know, the sense of "why is this character made up of these parts?" and the answer is "we slapped all these parts together on the table and named them, that's why."
I don't have the source, but when I used to watch Four Horsemen content regularly on YouTube, that was absolutely a discussion that came up from... What's his name, Jeremy? They totally mentioned that they like to just kit bash things together and go well, that's cool and occasionally make a new head or something for it.
 
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