Tracking toy tariffs

I'm apparently one of those evil, stupid, easily manipulated Nazis with no empathy, because I voted for Trump. It has been made very clear that I am not welcome on these boards for that simple fact. That being said, I honestly feel sorry for some of you. The horrible things being said and even advocating for the death of people who have too much money. It's kind of shocking and I wouldn't want to live with such anger in me.
Well, you said it so none of us had to.

You feel sorry for us...

...but speak nothing of an innocent father being ripped from his home and the REFUSAL to bring him home. You say nothing of him stating he wants to ship "homegrowns" to El Salvador. You stay radio silent on the ignoring of Supreme Court and federal judge rulings. But we say we think oligarchs shouldn't exist, and you feel sorry for *US*...saying how awful WE are...

Fuck all the way off.
 
I think we've all had our limits and beliefs tested as of late. Unfortunately, I have people on both sides of my family that voted for Trump. As to the "why", I'll never understand, and honestly, I don't know if I'd accept any reason anyway (that's my issue to work out, no one else's). Granted, some are, and have always been crappy people (there's some in every family), but what's more confusing to me are the good people in my family who did- genuinely good people who I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt have such goodness in their hearts and yet still voted how they did. Some have claimed fear, ignorance, etc., and to their credit, some have completely switched sides since the election and seeing the error of their ways. Of course, the damage is done, so it's too little too late, but I have to give them credit for trying.

I've always been of the belief that we're all capable of anything- good or bad, if driven far enough. God knows I've done some pretty terrible things in my life too, especially when I found myself in a situation where I felt there was no other choice. I think we should all have the ability to learn and grow from mistakes, but even I have a line. I do genuinely have sympathy and empathy in my heart for those good family members who voted how they did, because I can see that they still retain humanity in them, and for everyone's sake, but especially my own, I know I can't lose mine by stooping to similar methods. That said, it's been harder and harder to find that kindness for others, and for some, I'm just not even bothering anymore. I hate that I've become as embittered and cold as I have, both in regards to people, the economy, etc. It's definitely made my anxiety and depression, which I'd managed to get a pretty good handle on, spiral out of control again, so it's been a trying few weeks. I do like to think that we'll get through it all together, as many have claimed we need to, but I just don't see how, with the growing distrust and unease we have. I think the finger pointing will only worsen as more and more prices go up and people look for others to blame (even if it's pretty clear who's to blame).

That's why toys and talkin' toys is such a bright spot for me, and I do worry that I'll lose that, or it'll lessen, with these tariffs. On one hand, like I said, it could force me to appreciate things more. On the other, I worry it may make me grow even more bitter and angry that I can't obtain the things that bring me joy (a first world problem, ultimately, but still).
 
I'm apparently one of those evil, stupid, easily manipulated Nazis with no empathy, because I voted for Trump. It has been made very clear that I am not welcome on these boards for that simple fact. That being said, I honestly feel sorry for some of you. The horrible things being said and even advocating for the death of people who have too much money. It's kind of shocking and I wouldn't want to live with such anger in me.

if having your feelings hurt during these next four years is the worst thing that happens to you, you're probably in a better place than many

also there are a number of groups and politicians advocating for a more equitable distribution of wealth through organizing and peaceful protest if you do not support killing millionaires and billionaires.
 
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btw in some sense I can relate because in 2020 I was in the position of having voted for a presidential candidate who would go on to support a (still ongoing) genocide in the Middle East. in 2024 I voted for a presidential candidate who supported the same policy (my principles are not as strong as I thought).

the ethics of it continues to gnaw at me and I don't believe I can plead innocence. I've been sending money to the victims whenever I can but I'm afraid I still feel complicit (irrespective of what I believe in my heart of hearts).
 
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I'm a 45 year old Catholic, husband and father to beautiful 7 and 4 year old girls. I teach 4th grade. My wife is Lutheran, girls baptized Lutheran, they attend my Catholic school (I just learned I will be teaching my 7 year old next year, one year earlier than I was anticipating). I'm politically conservative and religiously liberal. In the past I've voted Republican, Democrat, and 3rd party. I need my candidate to have ideas and solutions, not an R or a D. If I feel our two party system does not provide that, I'll do my own research and vote for a 3rd party candidate that aligns more closely (not completely) with what I feel is important.

I have a wife, parents, in-laws, coworkers, friends.....some voted Trump, some voted Harris. They are the most kind and loving people you will meet. None of them are Nazis and I feel we ought not throw around that word in particular, we ought not paint people with so broad a brush. I feel doing so diminishes those few people left alive today whose lives were impacted by real Nazis. You may hate Trump. Call him "Emperor Dipshit", call him "Tangerine Palpatine", that's fine. But this country is not run by a Nazi regime and the fact that you CAN say those things about him, the fact that people can make and post videos like the one above, criticizing the government is proof of that. Boarder enforcement is not Nazism. Looking at the books to find government waste is not Nazism. I think these tariffs suck, I think it's a ham-handed implementation, I think at best it puts a nail into the coffin of the hobby and at worst harms families and small businesses. It's not Nazism.

In general I believe in boarders and enforcing those boarders. Every country in the world does it. I'm sympathetic to those coming from shit hole countries wanting to contribute and provide a better life for their families, I believe they should have the opportunity to be here, but I also believe turning a blind eye to the legal process of being here is dangerous. At the same time, I've taught wonderful students from kind, loving families who I suspect are not here legally. Am I going to drop a dime to ICE? Do I want "jackboots" to drag them apart? Hell no. I pray for them and their situation.

Unfortunately for the good people of the United States, we live in a two party system. Those two parties are primarily concerned with their stranglehold on power and not the prosperity of those beneath them. Voters need to make a choice that is not black and white. I have Catholic family members who are against abortion but have voted Democrat. Are they "baby killers"? No. They were presented with two (usually bad) choices and they chose what they felt was the lesser of two evils. The past year the people of this country were shopped two terrible alternatives to Trump. When the only two choices you give Americans are two extremes, that's not going to end well. People start to look at choices that are not black and white as black and white and you start the division amongst kind and good people and pit them against each other. That's a bad thing.
 
In general I believe in boarders and enforcing those boarders. Every country in the world does it.
I just travelled all over Ireland and Northern Ireland and couldn't even tell when I crossed the border either time. It's a soft border and I see no issue with it.

Also, I'm braced for posting such things to lead to silencing and even deportation.

I'm sorry, but we do have actual Nazis in power. I'm sure we all have family members and loved ones who voted for Trump, I certainly do. And they struggle to have a concise and logical discussion about why without falling back in slogans and whataboutisms. I keep trying though. And look forward to being able to respect them again. And the main one I talk to IS absolutely racist. All for getting rid of the others, not thinking ahead to when they'll land on his name on the list.
 
This thread is headed in a direction that I've seen many times before in many forums result in no politics rules. In the case of this forum since TSI has no corporate brand to protect so I doubt he does that, but the fact remains that there's absolutely no point in using some of the hate speech people are slipping into unless your express purpose is to actively create enemies. It's pretty clear this is going to just keep escalating to the point where discussion isn't even possible anymore.

People use ad hominems because they think it will shock the other person into seeing an opposing point of view. It almost NEVER works that way, and it almost always inspires that other person to simply hate you and the cause you're defending.
 
the fact that you CAN say those things about him, the fact that people can make and post videos like the one above, criticizing the government is proof of that.
It's certainly not that way for some folks.

And it's interesting that he's been caught on a hot mic on Monday saying he's going after citizens next.

Hey, that last one, that's immediately after a meeting he had with a South American dictator about how, in defiance of a court order now carried by the Supreme Court, a *conservative court*, he would not do anything to affect the return of Kilmar Garcia, a man who by all accounts did everything exactly the way he was supposed to. In fact, even the justice department said they made a mistake. When their own lawyer started asking questions, they fired him.

So sure, the FBI isn't kicking in the doors of anybody on this forum just yet, but it seems only because we would make lousy examples.
 
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I think everyone is aware that you're not going to change someone's mind when it comes to politics on the internet. Or, at the very least, it's not likely to happen in meaningful numbers.

Unfortunately, I think we have a country of mostly uninformed voters. It's hard to overstate the negative impact someone like Rupert Murdoch has had on the world via creating an open propaganda network in the form of Fox News. People who tune into it literally think they're getting "the news" when really it's just rightwing propaganda and we've had close to 30 years of some folks solely looking to it to stay informed. It's been remarkably successful, and conservatives have even managed to successfully brand other media outlets as "leftwing" even though almost all of them are run by very conservative individuals. And then you have those who only get most of their news through people like Joe Rogan, or before his fall, Alex Jones. Or those who simply vote for a chosen party because their parents did or for some other nonrelevant reason like it's a fandom you're born into.

Like probably everyone in here, I know and have loved ones who vote Republican and only vote Republican. Some of them are smart, some of them are not, some of them are caring, some are pretty selfish. In many cases, I know why they voted the way they did and it's usually because they either buy into the economic policy of Republicans and think Reagan was a genius or they're literally terrified of the stuff rightwing news outlets are shoveling into their brains on a daily basis. At this point, it's basically ignorance, at best, with them as they've been convinced all of the so-called leftwing media can't be trusted. The Republican backlash against fact-checking has been ludicrously successful. On the flipside, I have loved ones who were life-long Republicans that have abandoned the party in recent years. In some of those cases, it's taken seeing the negative impact Republican policies and biases at work with people they know are decent folk. It's too bad that for a lot of folks things have to get personal in order for them to see the humanity in marginalized groups, but so it goes.

Nazi, fascist, etc. are loaded terms, but they're not inaccurate when describing the current administration. If your gut reaction to such terms is to be dismissive you're either in denial or unwilling to engage with the current environment honestly, which is understandable because it's scary stuff. We have an administration that proudly withholds legally appropriated funds to states because they're considered "blue," revokes grants to educational institutions because they want to control speech, abducts legal immigrants off the street and deports them without due process, revokes Visas and green cards over protected speech, and sends a lot of these people to actual concentration camps and openly boasts about wanting to do the same to actual citizens. It is a fascist regime. Do we have to wait until we hear reports of mass executions before people start pointing that out? If we keep moving the goal posts then there is no line that they can cross.

My message to people who voted for Trump is simply what's done is done. You can't take it back, but you can certainly do your part to make it better going forward. Most can't seem to even articulate what it is about Harris that frightened them so. Democrats have largely been the status quo party - boring, do no-nothing, politicians. The Republican party campaigns on anger and fear and often has a scapegoat that has no real baring on the economic situation in the country. And their solution, once in power, is always to drive up the deficit and redistribute wealth so that the upper 1% can take home an ever bigger share of the pie. Live in ignorance if you want, a lot of us can probably live a decent life even if we just block everything out, but not everyone has that luxury.
 
Declaring where we stand is all we have left, because nobody's changing minds through conversation, as depressing as that is. We tried empathy and understanding for twelve years. For forty years. There is a breaking point and I think this is it for a lot of folks. People are angry and scared and done. We can pay lip service to civil discourse or polite society, but does it matter anymore, if this is who we are as a country?

The thing I think about every hour of every day now is how I no longer look at my own brother the same way because he flipped out on me for criticizing this administration... when it was in the process of firing our own father. And it's not that I don't love my brother. It's that I truly, truly do not know if he grasps the harm being done to so many people. I don't know if he regrets it, or if he disagrees with what's happening. He got defensive and lashed out with strawman arguments when I disagreed with him. And now I simply no longer trust him. Love him? Sure. I'd take a bullet for him without blinking. But I look at him differently now and that has broken my heart.

I just canceled travel plans to Canada because, due to one of my jobs and due to my running my mouth off online for 25 years, I don't trust a border crossing. The deciding factor was that immigration lawyer dragged from his car at the checkpoint we were going to travel through so they could go through his email. And all I was trying to do was go to a fucking birthday party so I could run a D&D game for a friend on his 50th. Am I overreacting? Hard to tell, but I've been detained at a border because of work before and it was the most terrifying moment of my life, so I'd rather not repeat it. Hell, the way things are going we'll need to delete Tapatalk if we cross a border because of this thread.

If feeling like if some strangers on the internet who share your hobby don't want to chat with you anymore, count your blessings that that's the pain you are suffering. You are so bloody fortunate. Cos a lot of people are never going to see their fathers or sons again because of this. People are going to lose jobs and homes. And we're going to pay more for these stupid toys that were a rare bright spot in the fall of an empire. And frankly, if that's all WE suffer, I'll be thanking my lucky stars for the rest of my life every time I refuse to pay 45 dollars for a Wolverine action figure instead of wondering if the next knock on my door is going to drag me off to El Salvator.
 
Sounds like the China tariffs are going up to 245% now. Sheesh! It feels like it’s only getting worse, not better. Feels like we are to the point that until the tariffs get importers/retailers to balk at the new prices and refuse delivery and everything gets gummed up we’ll just continue to see them go up and up. At this point anything will be unaffordable so it might as well be a bajillion percent tariff now. :cry:
 
The thing I think about every hour of every day now is how I no longer look at my own brother the same way because he flipped out on me for criticizing this administration... when it was in the process of firing our own father. And it's not that I don't love my brother. It's that I truly, truly do not know if he grasps the harm being done to so many people. I don't know if he regrets it, or if he disagrees with what's happening. He got defensive and lashed out with strawman arguments when I disagreed with him. And now I simply no longer trust him. Love him? Sure. I'd take a bullet for him without blinking. But I look at him differently now and that has broken my heart.
My family laid a loved one to rest recently, and even though I loved the man and looked up to him, I can't lie and say the past few years didn't change my opinion on him. I have vehemently disagreed with pretty much every life choice he made in recent years which were all in response to Trump losing. Bad decisions for him and the family he now leaves behind and it sucks to feel that way about someone I'll never see again.

245% tariffs is just fucking stupid and the result of the only tool in the toolbox being a hammer. I saw Hong Kong is suspending mail to the US as well. I assume private carriers can still accept packages, but I don't know.
 
Sounds like the China tariffs are going up to 245% now. Sheesh! It feels like it’s only getting worse, not better. Feels like we are to the point that until the tariffs get importers/retailers to balk at the new prices and refuse delivery and everything gets gummed up we’ll just continue to see them go up and up. At this point anything will be unaffordable so it might as well be a bajillion percent tariff now. :cry:
China halting rare earth elements export might move the needle on this because that will disproportionately impact the silicon valley segment of Trump allies.
 
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