Tracking toy tariffs

Misfit said:
In a global sense, yes, America is more conservative. That's because the old guard of the Democratic party would be considered conservative from an outsider's point of view. Still, more progressive policies often poll well with the general public, but politicians are unwilling to embrace them for a variety of factors most of which concern money. And then there's the good old Electoral College which makes sure the electorate slants conservative at times even if the general population is more liberal. Democrats should have been fighting like hell to kill that thing for years, but they don't seem to like fighting hard for anything.
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Weren't the two parties basically switched in their policies and positions until after WW2? Dems were the more conservative party and Republicans were the more liberal party?
 
Sort of. Republicans of today love pointing out that they were the party of Lincoln whenever they're (rightly) accused of being racist. I don't know when the demographics started to change, though I would guess it may have started during the Reconstruction Era since that was fairly tumultuous. FDR was a Democrat and pretty liberal pre-WWII.
 
There being no punishment or consequence is weighing on me a lot because we’ve got ICE spouting the old “just following orders” chestnut, and no matter what harm folks do right now there will be no consequences and they will be free to do it over and over again. There will be no consequences for tanking the economy or disappearing people or anything.

I don’t like feeling hopeless, but man it feels like I’ve lived too long. Utterly disappointed in humanity.


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The main switch in American politics occurred in the 60s. Obviously very complicated, but the passing of the civil rights acts led to the rise of the Dixiecrats under Wallace, who the Rs then began successfully courting during Nixon's time. They've always supposedly been about 'fiscal responsibility' but if you look at their platform from the time of Eisenhower to now they've done almost a complete 180 on everything else. People like to say that there was no 'party switch' because very few government officials flat out stated 'I was a D but now I am an R', which is true, but the ideology shift is pretty clear unless you just don't want to admit it.

It's also amusing that the Ds, in dang near any other country on Earth, would be considered center right at best. Calling them 'leftist' is ridiculous. Of course, we also now live in a time where people are trying to convince themselves that the Nazi party was leftist, so...
 
The parties were a lot less clearly polarized before roughly the 1960s and 70s, with more ideological mixing across party lines. The Civil Rights era was really when the parties started to sort by the beliefs that got us where we are today.

jonaskane posted a much more detailed version of this while I was typing it up!
 
Civil rights and Nixon's strategy to specifically capitalize on its effects. Nixon's southern strategy would take time but by the middle Reagan year is was more or less complete. Flipping the former Democratic south to Republican. Since the days of the New Deal Southern agricultural communities knew well and good that the economic desires of the rich and powerful were directly opposed to their interests more or less. The Republican courting of southerners with issues of race & religion was all it took for them to turn on their own economic self interest.
 
I was looking at BBTS earlier with the latest round of GI Joe preorders going on and saw they have the ML dragon up. They've already marked him up from the 650 4H preorder price to 799.99 for the base dragon and couple of figures. Now admittedly I may not understand the way the tariff deal works, but from other examples I've seen from actual toy companies around the interwebs...

If tariffs stay at 145% (is that the current rate, this crap bounces around like a jumping bean on crack) and BBTS passes that on to you, your dragon now costs you almost 2000 dollars. If you add the fire breathing head and the deluxe wings for another 510, you get that 510 plus another 740, and your complete set now costs you around 3200.

Those preorder Joes are going to be 65ish.

Waiting for the other shoe to drop and Amazon to implement something similar, and the toy business ends pretty much forever.
 
Ashtalon said:
I think a real issue regarding Democrats vs Republicans is Democrats generally have policies which want to help people, while Republicans have policies which only want to help themselves. Recently (maybe starting in the late 80s), Republicans started getting a cruel streak. A lot of their attitude and driving force is to literally cause someone suffering. They think it's what strong people do, and they have this inherent need to portray what they perceive to be strength. So the more cruel they are, the stronger they seem. They're not even for issues, as much as against issues. And they're too prideful to admit they were ever wrong, because that would be a sign of weakness to them.
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They they they - no offense intended, flip the proper nouns in this thinking and that's what "they" think of your side.

We have to start thinking again in terms of "we." Call me whatever, but I'll repeat an earlier sentiment - we can only successfully salvage and survive forward together, united. Capitalize the u if you want.
 
Schizm said:
They they they - no offense intended, flip the proper nouns in this thinking and that's what "they" think of your side.

We have to start thinking again in terms of "we." Call me whatever, but I'll repeat an earlier sentiment - we can only successfully salvage and survive forward together, united. Capitalize the u if you want.
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There is no us or we any longer. The day their side decided that the Constitution held exceptions and that people were expendable, the "We/us" went out the window. You're either a fucking Nazi, or you aren't. That's it.

"Oh, but not every Trump supporter is like that. Not every Trump supporter is a Nazi".

FUCK. THAT. You can not be okay with some parts of a movement or administration and only speak out when the other parts affect you. That's horseshit. And I definitely do not give a pass to those of you who are having buyer's remorse. We warned you, we told you, we gave you a play by play of how this was going to go. And yet...

I'm done taking the higher ground. I'm done giving passes. I'm over this notion that these people need to be coddled and handled with baby gloves to get them back to our side. They had over a decade. They're lost, they're gone, fuck them. Now it's on and it's on sight. Throw that hand up around me and see what happens.
 
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I was looking at BBTS earlier with the latest round of GI Joe preorders going on and saw they have the ML dragon up. They've already marked him up from the 650 4H preorder price to 799.99 for the base dragon and couple of figures. Now admittedly I may not understand the way the tariff deal works, but from other examples I've seen from actual toy companies around the interwebs...

If tariffs stay at 145% (is that the current rate, this crap bounces around like a jumping bean on crack) and BBTS passes that on to you, your dragon now costs you almost 2000 dollars. If you add the fire breathing head and the deluxe wings for another 510, you get that 510 plus another 740, and your complete set now costs you around 3200.

Those preorder Joes are going to be 65ish.

Waiting for the other shoe to drop and Amazon to implement something similar, and the toy business ends pretty much forever.
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The Dragon is like a Haslab. They buy at retail prices like the rest of us. The rest is their mark up, which including their $4 shipping on such a beast is actually just a modest markup.
 
To be clear, I have no problem with the BBTS initial markup, nor am I in any way blaming them for what is going on currently.
 
Schizm said:
They they they - no offense intended, flip the proper nouns in this thinking and that's what "they" think of your side.

We have to start thinking again in terms of "we." Call me whatever, but I'll repeat an earlier sentiment - we can only successfully salvage and survive forward together, united. Capitalize the u if you want.
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Ok, what do you think "we" all agree on? And of those things, which of them is represented, even in rhetoric, as part of the current administration's platform or policies?

Like, what you're throwing out right now is a very nice platitude, but it seems divorced from the concrete realities of the current admin. You may be under the impression you're in a space with a bunch of Democrats, but from what I'm seeing in most of these replies, I bet the majority here has plenty beef with those folks as well. They just have *less* beef, and the Dems aren't in power.

Everyone here is talking about what the current admin is pushing, what their supporters seem to cheer, and what we all have to look forward to as a nation if the current trend continues along historically predictable lines.

Please, get specific. What do you think "we" have in common that *doesn't* put a rational person in opposition to this admin?

Like, Christ, he was caught on a hot mic YESTERDAY saying he'd want to deport US citizens to the El Salvadoran Gulag after a meeting where he and the guy who runt hat gulag said they had no intention of returning the guy they KNOW IS INNOCENT and who was sent there against an explicit court order.
 
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jonaskane said:
They've already marked him up from the 650 4H preorder price to 799.99 for the base dragon and couple of figures.
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They marked him up from $550. The wings and fiery breath were $150 each, and oddly BBTS marked each one up differently--the wings are $270, and the breath is $240. I have no guess as to why they marked each accessory up by a different amount... 🤔
 
I read through this thread and was debating whether I should reply. I don't post much and even if I did, I realize nobody would care about what I have to say. The very first post stated "Hoping we can all be civil in our discussions" and while everyone has been in agreement, there have been some horrible things said. I have no interest in discussing politics with anyone online since it's simply not fun and there's almost zero chance it will change anyone's mind.

I'm apparently one of those evil, stupid, easily manipulated Nazis with no empathy, because I voted for Trump. It has been made very clear that I am not welcome on these boards for that simple fact. That being said, I honestly feel sorry for some of you. The horrible things being said and even advocating for the death of people who have too much money. It's kind of shocking and I wouldn't want to live with such anger in me.

I have no hatred for anyone and I'm a very empathetic person. I had a good career in IT that I gave up years ago to become a nurse. I did that solely because I wanted to be able to help people and make their lives better. I may not like a lot of what Trump does, but I like even less of the other side. If all we do is hate each other, there is no chance this country will survive.

Again, I don't have any interest in discussing political beliefs and I have no problem with anyone who has different beliefs than me. Thank you to TSI for starting these boards and giving people a place to get together while The Fwoosh was down. I wish you the best of luck.
 
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