Action Force and Valaverse

I missed that. Refresh me.
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Touché. Been so long since he failed a kickstarter he forgets what it's like.
Definitely. You'd think someone that had failed miserably his first try would have a bit of heart for a guy in a similar spot. But Bob probably thinks of Shart as an 'outsider' and himself as a real professional, and he's actually just doing that thing where people who are professionals don't want non-professionals entering their space at all.
Like how some writers used to be about self-published guys.
 
Bob didn't go pitching to Shart a hardball interview where he basically calls him a know-nothing buffoon. He ostensibly was reaching out to help a fellow in the community with one last chance to get a big push.

Did he, though? I had the impression that Shart reached out to them, not the other way around, and he asked to be on their show to promote his line and the big fella with the beard warned him beforehand, that they had a really though crowd.
 
Did he, though? I had the impression that Shart reached out to them, not the other way around, and he asked to be on their show to promote his line and the big fella with the beard warned him beforehand, that they had a really though crowd.
But they didn't have a tough crowd. They had a tough co-host who is now making a very similar toy line to the one he was grilling.
 
But they didn't have a tough crowd. They had a tough co-host who is now making a very similar toy line.

They did. The chat WAS tearing shartimus apart. Also, Vala doesn't seem to have a problem with Anthony Customs and his "I'm sure I'll eventually do it at some point, at some time, next century"-line and gave him good tips and from what I understood, Ninja is also planning some figures or something, and I'm sure Vala is giving some tips there too.
 
I mean, we can look at the direct comparison; Bob talked mad shit about Hasbro Joes and, I believe, Lenny himself. You know how many response videos or posts Lenny made? Fucking none. Because he's not giant pissy baby. He did what a professional does and simply lets the product, and the success of that product, speak for itself. Let Bob run his mouth all he wants -- he's still just making that line of military guys that ISN'T G.I. Joe, and will only ever be the line that isn't G.I. Joe.
I don't think Lenny's silence here constitutes evidence of what you're suggesting it does. If we're positioning him as winner and Vala as loser based on who gets to design namebrand GIJoes, then it is unsurprising that Lenny doesn't respond and it has little to do with his character. In any conflict or negotiation, the more powerful party is that which can walk away (or here, continue to design GI Joes) without resolving the conflict between the parties. From personal experience, as a younger scientist much of my most impactful work was stolen by a couple powerful players in the immunotherapy field. I've through public channels blasted their continued publications derived from my work on occasion but they never address my posts and never will. I have an interest in resolving the matter but they don't; unresolved, they get to keep publishing papers on it and being big names in the field. Why risk mutual engagement, particularly when one knows one is in the wrong and won't be held to account for ignoring engagement? Similarly, Elon Musk missed this memo, but billionaires don't have to respond to our complaints about them because whether they do or not they stay billionaires.

Anyway, I'm not invested in whatever conflict exists between these specific players, but personal scars and anti-capitalist sentiment animate me to challenge the notion that silence from the powerful evidences better character than complaints from the aggrieved. (Which no doubt wasn't your general point)
 
If we're positioning him as winner and Vala as loser based on who gets to design namebrand GIJoes
100% not what I'm doing. I'm positioning Lenny as the winner because he doesn't stoop to the level of jumping on social media to talk shit about Bob and his fake Action Force line. To my knowledge, he's never done so, despite repeated jabs from Vala at himself and the line he works on. Lenny, as far as I've seen, has never even stooped to the level of casually throwing 'directionless, no names' kind of shade.
He's just out here designing some of the best 6" domestic action figures on the market right now and seemingly not worrying too much about what a loser ex-coworker thinks.


From personal experience, as a younger scientist much of my most impactful work was stolen by a couple powerful players in the immunotherapy field. I've through public channels blasted their continued publications derived from my work on occasion but they never address my posts and never will. I have an interest in resolving the matter but they don't; unresolved, they get to keep publishing papers on it and being big names in the field. Why risk mutual engagement, particularly when one knows one is in the wrong and won't be held to account for ignoring engagement? Similarly, Elon Musk missed this memo, but billionaires don't have to respond to our complaints about them because whether they do or not they stay billionaires.
We don't disagree on any of this - I just don't think it's relevant. Lenny definitely isn't a billionaire. He didn't steal anything from Bob, or copy him in any way. This is -essentially- two equals in the field, more or less, working on competing (sort of) toylines. Lenny may work for a bigger company, but he's also an employee while Bob is the owner of his own company. If Lenny wanted to make some off-hand snarky remarks in a 'if you know you know' kind of way, he absolutely could. I doubt Hasbro would even give a shit.
He's presumably not doing it because there's no reason to be like that, not because it would be bad publicity for him.


Anyway, I'm not invested in whatever conflict exists between these specific players, but personal scars and anti-capitalist sentiment animate me to challenge the notion that silence from the powerful evidences better character than complaints from the aggrieved. (Which no doubt wasn't your general point)
I'd challenge that Lenny gets to be called 'the powerful.' That dude is one random exec getting grumpy away from not having a job, just like many of us. Nor would I characterize Vala as the aggrieved party here. He's just a failed bully. If anything, he's probably counting on Lenny's position with a larger company to keep him silent while Bob gets to denigrate him and his work with impunity.

I don't think anyone here would ever accuse me of being pro-capitalist, that's for sure. And if anything, Vala is the capitalist here. Lenny is a worker. He's got my solidarity unless he proves he doesn't deserve it.
 
100% not what I'm doing. I'm positioning Lenny as the winner because he doesn't stoop to the level of jumping on social media to talk shit about Bob and his fake Action Force line. To my knowledge, he's never done so, despite repeated jabs from Vala at himself and the line he works on. Lenny, as far as I've seen, has never even stooped to the level of casually throwing 'directionless, no names' kind of shade.
He's just out here designing some of the best 6" domestic action figures on the market right now and seemingly not worrying too much about what a loser ex-coworker thinks.



We don't disagree on any of this - I just don't think it's relevant. Lenny definitely isn't a billionaire. He didn't steal anything from Bob, or copy him in any way. This is -essentially- two equals in the field, more or less, working on competing (sort of) toylines. Lenny may work for a bigger company, but he's also an employee while Bob is the owner of his own company. If Lenny wanted to make some off-hand snarky remarks in a 'if you know you know' kind of way, he absolutely could. I doubt Hasbro would even give a shit.
He's presumably not doing it because there's no reason to be like that, not because it would be bad publicity for him.



I'd challenge that Lenny gets to be called 'the powerful.' That dude is one random exec getting grumpy away from not having a job, just like many of us. Nor would I characterize Vala as the aggrieved party here. He's just a failed bully. If anything, he's probably counting on Lenny's position with a larger company to keep him silent while Bob gets to denigrate him and his work with impunity.

I don't think anyone here would ever accuse me of being pro-capitalist, that's for sure. And if anything, Vala is the capitalist here. Lenny is a worker. He's got my solidarity unless he proves he doesn't deserve it.
All of that wasn't meant to be conflated. Clearly Lenny isn't a billionaire and is an employee. Each example - billionaire, capitalist, powerful scientist, or Hasbro designer who works on a desirable IP like GI Joe - each of these exemplifies someone who gets to carry on doing what they're doing by doing nothing with regard to a conflict. If you position Vala as the guy "just making that line of military guys that ISN'T G.I. Joe, and will only ever be the line that isn't G.I. Joe" and he shares that view and feels aggrieved by how things played out at Hasbro, then I wouldn't take his outbursts or someone else's reticence as prima facie evidence as to who is in the right.

Again, I don't know, can't know, and don't overly care in this specific instance what the truth is. As far as I'm concerned, they're both in good jobs doing good work. But my extrapolated point is that I tend not to write off ex-employees holding grudges as evidence that they are troublesome, nor do I believe that a corporation or its employees not addressing that grudge shows some sort of higher character. When employees get fired, the company writes the narrative and it's often bullshit. And the company does care very much both about employees discussing ex-employees and about optics of their employees' conduct in public-facing contexts.

Anyway, I've read many posts from you regarding capitalism and know that we're very aligned there. Just suggesting that a point you're making with specific regard to Vala could be extrapolated to a broader point with which I (and maybe you too) wouldn't agree but that Capital would love for us to believe: ex-employees who are mad at the way they were treated at a company were probably problematic; look how mad they are!

Carry on if I'm being boring.
 
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Damnit, Bobby has so many beefs with people, I can't keep track of his reasons. In Lenny's case, I think Bobby feels like he went behind his back on something while they were at Hasbro together. I know that's very vague, but who can remember all his feuds. He gave his reason on one of his streams. He's more complimentary to Joe product than one would think. His ire toward the figures is mostly directed at gummy weapons and he's poked fun at some of the figure's arm length.
 
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Damnit, Bobby has so many beefs with people, I can't keep track of his reasons. In Lenny's case, I think Bobby feels like he went behind his back on something while they were at Hasbro together. I know that's very vague, but who can remember all his feuds. He gave his reason on one of his streams. He's more complimentary to Joe product than one would think. His ire toward the figures is mostly directed at gummy weapons and he's poked fun at some of the figure's arm length.
HE DIDN'T GO AFTER THE GODFORSAKEN HIPS?! That's straight where I'd've gone... Maybe he didn't feel like he had a leg to stand on as that was also a source of breakage on Action Force figures in wave 1. Drop down hips and I have a beef.
 
Damnit, Bobby has so many beefs with people, I can't keep track of his reasons. In Lenny's case, I think Bobby feels like he went behind his back on something while they were at Hasbro together. I know that's very vague, but who can remember all his feuds. He gave his reason on one of his streams. He's more complimentary to Joe product than one would think. His ire toward the figures is mostly directed at gummy weapons and he's poked fun at some of the figure's arm length.

I will say: his videos are good content when he's talking the industry or interviewing others. And I do appreciate that he has a little table with ammo lacquered into it, scotch, and sometimes a cigar while he sits in nice lighting for some of those talks. No sarcasm. I'll that over over any other set up most YouTubers go for.

But when he's being educational or inquisitive, that's when I see that spark he has for toys and the hobby. And I'd love more of that, less of the above.
 
Better looks at a couple of the reveals. The 1944 trooper seems solid and would probably make good background for a Capt America or Indiana Jones/Rocketeer WWII display. He's said there will be German forces and in replies stated the problematic iconography will be absent which is definitely the right choice.

I think I'd be more tempted by the infantry guy if he just came with the "Steel Brigade" head standard. Alas.


 
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He said he just wants to dip his toe in oring because he’s not entirely sure how big the market is and if these first four are successful then he might do more


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