Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies and Streaming Series Discussion

[joshsquash729]

Heck, they could've even continued the Power Broker storyline in BNW- that would've made a lot of logical sense too. But BNW obviously went through a huge overhaul up until pretty much the last minute, so it wouldn't surprise me to hear that any one of those ideas- Power Broker, Kang, Skrulls, etc., was on the table at one point. They still could've kept Tiamut Island in the film too if they had to, since it seems they wanted to remind the audience of it for some reason.

 

[Schizm]

Whatever gets us more Sharon Carter onscreen is absolutely fine with me!

Emily VanCamp and Julia - EVC and JLD! - would make an excellent pair. Also, EVC versus Harrison Ford? Heck yeah. If anyone watched her in Revenge you know what kind of fun scenes we missed out on. Now I'm bummed.

Sharon could have replaced either the SS Agent (did she have a name?) or Ruth and the movie would have improved 50%.

 

[AceofKnaves]

I definitely want to see more Sharon. I’m honestly on her side and agree with her.

 

[Schizm]

Sharon would have made so much more sense throwing in with rewrites rather than Sidewinder BUT I just Googled and EVC was pregnant most of last year with her second baby. Yay for her! But boooooo for us.

Not that that's an excuse to not already have her in this movie from the start.

Sidenote: just found out this exists:

It is so sad that this moment was such a high point in that show.

 

[DarthDre758]

My thoughts on BNW. The only thing it changed in the end was getting Adamantium into the MCU.
How I would have gone with the story. Keep WHO Red Hulk is a secret. Have Sam and Torres be working, fighting whoever, and then have Rulk fly in and eliminate whatever the threat is, and then power jump away. The public starts to turn on Cap, asking why do the need him, when this new Hulk can just end situations while Cap is trying to negotiate out of them. That would have made the reveal at the end worthwhile at least. Ross could still be working with Sterns, but maybe like how Banner was, only via email/chat programs. Sterns promised him to win the election, and make the country/world safer with his gamma pills that would allow him to change at will back and forth.

 

[AceofKnaves]

I thought BNW was just fine, maybe above-average for the MCU. But I also don’t really care about how anything “fits” at this point, I’m just glad it had some villains I actually recognize, doing villainous stuff.
The most awkward part was them editing around the Sabra suit.

 

[Ru1977]

Sabra was awkward definitely, and I think not ruining Ross as the Red Hulk in marketing would have been neat. Sure, let us know he's in the movie to get more butts in seats but come on. And if you're gonna show him in the marketing material, even without revealing his face, then I think Dre is right and you may as well have Red Hulk be more a part of the overall plot.

 

[AceofKnaves]

Oh they DEFINITELY blew it by revealing Red Hulk in the ads. But that’s Hollywood: I remember being wowed at the Star Wars Phantom Menace preview and also at the same time thinking “well damn, they just spoiled one of the coolest reveals in films by showing the second sabre-blade shoot out”. Such a fucking bummer. They did it in another Harrison Ford movie too: the trailer for Zemeckis’ What Lies Beneath spoiled key elements of the plot (involving Ford as a villain, natch) that very much wrecked the mystery of a fantastic film.

 

[fac]

Yeah, seeing too much of Red Hulk, in Washington, during Cherry Blossom time - the longer the movie went on the more I realized they were trying to make a mystery over what was wrong with Ross even though the trailers gave it away.

No, I don't recall them announcing Kang for BNW, but I assume that after Ant Man we would have seen him before Kang Dynasty. So he would have had to pop up somewhere, BNW and probably Thunderbirds would make sense, even if like Thanos he was a cameo/brief mention - or hiding in plain sight. It would make sense that he was behind the scenes in some ways - maybe with Val, maybe with the Leader (the Leader giving up make more sense if he knows that Kang is going to bust him out of the Raft), maybe with Sharon even. But I am not sure of the production timeline so maybe not. But the MCU has been going through Presidents, first in Secret Invasion then BNW - I feel like that might have been leading somewhere.

 

[Fletch]

The most awkward part was them editing around the Sabra suit.

She had a Sabra suit? I personally had no objection to Sabra being in the movie other than there was nothing about her character that suggested she was supposed to be Sabra. I don't even know Sabra's real name. I don't know, maybe before edits she had, like, A gauntlet that shoots darts.

No, the weirdest part is that the White House would have a former Russian assassin from the Red Room as head of security. She shouldn't even have gotten clearance to mow the lawn.

 

[AceofKnaves]

She had a Sabra suit?

You can see it, briefly, under her jacket a couple of times.

It’s not that I object to Sabra, specifically, per se: but obviously it was *massively* bad timing to throw that character into a film at the same time the real-life leader of her country of origin is committing genocide and all that, and VERY obvious that the film was cut to downplay her superheroic identity and generally attempt to gloss over her specifics beyond “HEY RED ROOM LIKE BLACK WIDOW LOOK OVER HERE!”

It was just . . . awkward.

 

[joshsquash729]

Looks like tickets for Fantastic 4 are up for sale. Gonna grab some IMAX tickets later, methinks. I'll be home in Kansas for my mom and I's birthdays, so it'll be a family event. Much to my Mom's chagrin, I'm sure, but something tells me she'll like it more than she thinks.

 

[Ru1977]

@AceofKnaves So... I think you've convinced me to give some of these movies another shot. Even MOM, but definitely Quantumania, and I've been kinda wanting to give Love & Thunder a second chance as well.

 

[AceofKnaves]

I had fun with Love and Thunder.

MoM was . . . difficult. I didn’t dislike it, per se, I generally love Doctor Strange in the MCU, but boy oh boy did Raimi just leap over all Wanda’s character development in the vastly-superior WandaVision and basically replay her arc with less nuance and more Evil Dead-style “horror” (disclaimer, I’m not a fan of the first two Evil Dead films, like at all, nor of Raimi’s Spidey films for that matter). Zombie Strange was fun, but the whole thing sort of elided over some of my favorite things in Marvel (Shuma-Gorath, the Darkhold, Mount Wundagore, etc) without digging into them in ways I would want. 70s Marvel horror is my favorite time and place for comic stories ever. At least I have Werewolf by Night. Overall I enjoy watching MoM, but I really struggle with what they did to Wanda.

 

[Ru1977]

boy oh boy did Raimi just leap over all Wanda’s character development in the vastly-superior WandaVision and basically replay her arc with less nuance

Completely agreed. And honestly, when I think about the movie now (having seen it only once) it's always the Raimi-isms that make me think maybe I don't want to watch it again, but I kinda blocked out the Wanda stuff somehow. THAT was what I walked out of the theater really hating on.

I’m not a fan of the first two Evil Dead films

nor of Raimi’s Spidey films

I really struggle with what they did to Wanda

Yeah, like you said, the show already did it and they did it better and it was really lame having to retread it AND piss her away at the end too.