Mattel DC Figures

[GreatCeasarGhost]

You're wildly missing the point or being intentionally obtuse.

You are claiming Mattel is going to do something based on what will happen: You are claiming these WILL sell more than Batman and Superman toys. And you are claiming that based on that fact, Mattel chose how to allocate resources to the figures. So where is the data that proves you are right? If it's just true that X will happen, there has to be data to show it. Data which Mattel would have relied on to make the decision you are claiming that they made.

For instance; did Miraculous product outsell Batman and Superman product the first year it was released? Miraculous was extremely popular a few years back and there was a similar attitude of 'why isn't there product for this?' with parents angry because they couldn't get stuff for their kids birthdays and Christmas and such. When that product finally arrived - did it outsell Batman?
Hint: No. It didn't.

Has ANY 'first time ever' toy product in the last 15 years outsold Batman and Superman product? The sales data is all out there for you to peruse. Do you want me to just answer the question for you because you don't actually know how to do data analysis?
The answer is..... huge surprise incoming; No.

There is no data to support that the launch of a 'first time ever' toyline for a brand, even a seemingly popular brand, will result in toy sales that even -match- Batman and Superman merchandise, let alone surpass it. There is no evidence that KPDH's popularity as a FILM will even translate to sales as toys (there is a MASSIVE treasure trove of data to show poor sales on product lines related to current/popular brands because those brands' popularity did not translate to SALES for any number of reasons).
In short: You are talking entirely and completely out of your ass. You don't know how any of this works. You should just stop and trust me when I say that Mattel is not spending more money on the KPDH launch than on the launch of their reacquired licensing for the most popular characters in the history of our species.

No you’re illiterate

My initial comment made no mention of DC. It was about initial tooling cost recovery

They know they are guaranteed to sell millions of those toys around the world. Even if there’s a slight over budget on initial production they know it’s coming back that 10 fold in sales that it’s not a risk.

You made this some DC va Demon Hunter pissing contest



And didn’t Bratz outsell the longstanding Barbie brand in it initial run?

 

[Niko (protozoalord)]

No you’re illiterate

My initial comment made no mention of DC. It was about initial tooling cost recovery

You made this some DC va Demon Hunter pissing contest

Why involve yourself in a back and forth this long if there was a clear misunderstanding from the other party?

 

[Damien]

No you’re illiterate

My initial comment made no mention of DC. It was about initial tooling cost recovery


You made this some DC va Demon Hunter pissing contest

Wow. That's some incredibly dishonest bullshit. Also, it's "no, you're illiterate.' Or 'No. You're illiterate.' If you're going to question my literacy, maybe use proper grammar, you fucking doorknob.

Let's go by the sequence of what was actually said, because you're too braindead to remember, apparently:

Back on Page 67, you responded to RexMason. He said the KPDH figures are loaded with accessories and he hopes they manage something similar with DC collector figures. Your response was, as you said, it's not a risk to go over budget with them because they're 'guaranteed' to make it back 10 fold. Which is simply... not true. It's not a guarantee. You're dumb if you think it is. Or it was hyperbole. I'll wait while you look that up.
Moving along....

I responded that I don't think anyone at Mattel expects KPDH to outsell Batman and Superman; the implication being that if they don't have to worry about KPDH, they'd also not have to worry about Batman and Superman. At no point in my response did I say they expected poor sales or saying that YOU said KPDH would sell better than Batman. I also wasn't making a new comparison - but referencing back to Rex's comparison that you responded to. Dipshit.

Then YOU responded with this dumb fucking gem:

Is this a joke? Before the movie yeah.

But now.

That’s like wondering if Zootopia 2 will make more than Batman and Superman after the success of the first one. The possibility is very high.

You decided to make the direct challenge (which you are now claiming you did not posit at all) about whether or not KPDH -could- and -would- outsell Batman and Superman. The implication of your above stupid-ass post is VERY clear to anyone... you know... literate.

You asked me if I were joking when I said Mattel did not expect KPDH to outsell Batman and Superman. You said that. I didn't force you to say it. I didn't say anything except that any inferences we can make about Mattel's ability to 'go overbudget in anticipation of sales' for KPDH would also apply, even moreso, to DC. YOU made it a challenge to argue that KPDH would, in fact, outsell DC. Your dishonesty about it now is mind-boggling.
You also doubled down in another post by pointing out that having the license first means they'll sell better than a license that's been passed around and had many opportunities for figures. YOU made the assertion you are saying you did not make.


Then I asked you to provide DATA to support what you were claiming as a fact; that KPDH, being a new property and first time toyline, would/could outsell DC. Since you were claiming strong sales as the REASON Mattel would budget a certain way, there would have to be data to support your assertion because it's the data Mattel would be using to make the decision you are claiming they would make.

You responded to this request for data by saying.... Mattel is the first license-holder for this property and that is 'proved.' Because you're a fucking idiot that can't read or understand logic.

Now's a good point to also bring up that at no point here did you say you're not saying KPDH could outsell DC. You'd spent a couple of posts saying exactly the opposite, actually ("they are the first license holder and this is proof of what I'm saying" is tacit confirmation you are continuing with the same argument you'd previously made).

NOW that I've pointed out how fucking stupid your argument is to the point where there is literally nothing you can say to dig out of your hole, you're just (badly) backpeddling and saying 'well, I never said that.'
Except, you did. You transparently lying dipshit.

Christ. Wouldn't it have been way easier to say "yeah, that's fair" - save some face, and move the fuck on with your life? Now everyone knows you read at a third grade level and don't understand what 'data' is. That's embarrassing for all of us.

 

[GreatCeasarGhost]

Wow. That's some incredibly dishonest bullshit. Also, it's "no, you're illiterate.' Or 'No. You're illiterate.' If you're going to question my literacy, maybe use proper grammar, you fucking doorknob.

Let's go by the sequence of what was actually said, because you're too braindead to remember, apparently:

Back on Page 67, you responded to RexMason. He said the KPDH figures are loaded with accessories and he hopes they manage something similar with DC collector figures. Your response was, as you said, it's not a risk to go over budget with them because they're 'guaranteed' to make it back 10 fold. Which is simply... not true. It's not a guarantee. You're dumb if you think it is. Or it was hyperbole. I'll wait while you look that up.
Moving along....

I responded that I don't think anyone at Mattel expects KPDH to outsell Batman and Superman; the implication being that if they don't have to worry about KPDH, they'd also not have to worry about Batman and Superman. At no point in my response did I say they expected poor sales or saying that YOU said KPDH would sell better than Batman. I also wasn't making a new comparison - but referencing back to Rex's comparison that you responded to. Dipshit.

Then YOU responded with this dumb fucking gem:




You decided to make the direct challenge (which you are now claiming you did not posit at all) about whether or not KPDH -could- and -would- outsell Batman and Superman. The implication of your above stupid-ass post is VERY clear to anyone... you know... literate.

You asked me if I were joking when I said Mattel did not expect KPDH to outsell Batman and Superman. You said that. I didn't force you to say it. I didn't say anything except that any inferences we can make about Mattel's ability to 'go overbudget in anticipation of sales' for KPDH would also apply, even moreso, to DC. YOU made it a challenge to argue that KPDH would, in fact, outsell DC. Your dishonesty about it now is mind-boggling.
You also doubled down in another post by pointing out that having the license first means they'll sell better than a license that's been passed around and had many opportunities for figures. YOU made the assertion you are saying you did not make.


Then I asked you to provide DATA to support what you were claiming as a fact; that KPDH, being a new property and first time toyline, would/could outsell DC. Since you were claiming strong sales as the REASON Mattel would budget a certain way, there would have to be data to support your assertion because it's the data Mattel would be using to make the decision you are claiming they would make.

You responded to this request for data by saying.... Mattel is the first license-holder for this property and that is 'proved.' Because you're a fucking idiot that can't read or understand logic.

Now's a good point to also bring up that at no point here did you say you're not saying KPDH could outsell DC. You'd spent a couple of posts saying exactly the opposite, actually ("they are the first license holder and this is proof of what I'm saying" is tacit confirmation you are continuing with the same argument you'd previously made).

NOW that I've pointed out how fucking stupid your argument is to the point where there is literally nothing you can say to dig out of your hole, you're just (badly) backpeddling and saying 'well, I never said that.'
Except, you did. You transparently lying dipshit.

Christ. Wouldn't it have been way easier to say "yeah, that's fair" - save some face, and move the fuck on with your life? Now everyone knows you read at a third grade level and don't understand what 'data' is. That's embarrassing for all of us.

Fair. I’m a math major so let’s break down this equation down.

So I wasn’t talking to you. Agreed.

Neither I or the person I responded to mention outselling Batman or Superman. We were talking about production. Higher production bring down cost which is 100% a fact and this is a brand new line with nothing to retool or reuse. Fact. So we know they will be high production cause the market is empty and they missed the initial window. Fact.


You did but your nose with a random comment beginning all of this.

This makes no sense you admit to saying Mattel doesn’t anticipate outselling DC(Made up opinion unless you work at Mattel) then a sentence later say you only inferred. So which is it? You infer or you stated a made up fact?

Then go on act like I’m the one making the argument. Fact.

Your asking for data makes no sense cause I never said anything other than Mattel will have a second crack at a license that has belonged to other companies. Fact. And we see how fans react to spending money when they have something to compare it to which is why I named checked the discussions on this forum to how fans spend money.You apparently raced over to comment and never bothered to read the rest of the post

 

[GreatCeasarGhost]

Why involve yourself in a back and forth this long if there was a clear misunderstanding from the other party?

You’re being kind. He didn’t misunderstand.

He saw someone being positive about a different property and took it as a slight since he has zero idea what is going to happen with Mattel’s DC line.

There’s no way he can hold the opinion that toy sales perform badly all the time from sales data then think Batman and Superman immune to those same forces. The loss of ToysRUS alone has affected availability that Mattel didn’t have the last time it had the license.

The DC brand isn’t even pushing anything to go along with the kid line.?No cartoon or animated movie until like 2028

 

[Damien]

Fair. I’m a math major so let’s break down this equation down.

What follows this sentence is not an equation. Some math major.

So I wasn’t talking to you. Agreed.

It's a public forum, you doorknob.

Neither I or the person I responded to mention outselling Batman or Superman.

What the fuck are you talking about? The person you responded to, Rex, LITERALLY made a comparison between the two lines (KPDH and DC -- whatever their calling the new DC line). What followed was a continuation of that comparison. As I explained before (Jesus Christ, dude, learn how to fucking read): My response to your comment was only to point out that your logic applied equally or more to Mattel's DC product. YOU were the one that decided to suggest KPDH might/would outsell DC product. I literally JUST went over this in the post you're responding to, dude. Not only did you not read and comprehend what I posted, you don't even seen to have read or comprehended the things -you- said.

Higher production cost bring down cost which is 100% a fact

Lol... fucking what? Higher production cost bring down cost, huh?
That's an interesting 'fact,' considering it's not even legible English.

So we know they will be high production cause the market is empty and they missed the initial window. Fact.

Not a fact. Supposition.
You would think that a 'math major' would know the difference. But you don't. Because you're fucking dumb.

You did but your nose with a random comment beginning all of this.

I did but my nose? Lol........ okay.
Also, again, PUBLIC forum. You can't "butt your nose" into a conversation happening in a public forum. You. Doorknob.

This makes no sense you admit to saying Mattel doesn’t anticipate outselling DC(Made up opinion unless you work at Mattel) then a sentence later say you only inferred. So which is it? You infer or you stated a made up fact?

....What?
I didn't say I inferred anything. I said 'inferences we can make about budget.' I.E. the inferences YOU are drawing about what their budget would be for KPDH and whether they'd be willing to go over budget. Are you this fucking stupid that you are WHOLLY incapable of following any part of this very simple conversation?

Then go on act like I’m the one making the argument. Fact.

You literally are. You literally started the argument from an innocuous comment I made that your logic could be applied equally to the DC brand (the point that REX had been making - who you were responding to originally). Not only did you make an argument where there wasn't one, you did a hilariously shitty job of it and made yourself look like the a complete moron throughout.

Your asking for data makes no sense cause I never said anything other than Mattel will have a second crack at a license that has belonged to other companies. Fact.

Lie.
You said that a new license will sell better than a 'second crack' license. THIS is the assertion for which I requested data. And then I broke down how you will not get that data because, as far as I am aware, data that exists does not support this assertion. I never asked for data that no one had made KPDH toys before, you fucking moron. READ the posts. And stop lying.

And we see how fans react to spending money when they have something to compare it to which is why I named checked the discussions on this forum to how fans spend money.

This is entirely anecdotal and worthless. It's not data. Data would be, for instance, McFarlane's DC sales numbers in comparison to Mattel's DCUC sales numbers.

You apparently raced over to comment and never bothered to read the rest of the post

Lol. Dude... you have backpeddled and failed to understand what was going on at every point. This is such hardcore projecting. You don't understand a single thing that's being said, and everything you're saying is fucking dumb and wrong, and you're saying -I- didn't read your posts because -you- have no fucking idea what you're talking about?

You're an idiot.

He saw someone being positive about a different property and took it as a slight since he has zero idea what is going to happen with Mattel’s DC line.

What the fuck are you even talking about? This is the most made-up nonsense of all your made-up nonsense. Just grasping and pathetic. But yeah.. I'm... mad that someone thinks KPDH is ... good? Is that what you're implying? You don't even know what I think of KPDH. Let alone have any reason to believe anyone's opinions about it would make me feel anything.
Especially because NOTHING that has been said by me even has anything to do with positivity toward KPDH. Moron.

The DC brand isn’t even pushing anything to go along with the kid line.?No cartoon or animated movie until like 2028

Batwheels, My Adventures with Superman, Teen Titans Go!, Batman: Caped Crusader, Bat-Fam, and the ongoing DCMU started with the very kid-friendly Superman movie. You fucking idiot.

 

[bat]

Maybe time to deescalate and move on with other topics. Time will tell how well KPDH figures sell and it really isn't all that important, right? The important thing is that Tim Drake Robin figure shown has no @#$%ing mid-torso crunch.

 

[GrumpyMatt]

Seconded.

And wait till you see the Collectors Edition Tim Drake!

 

[Bananaman]

I thought I was back on Mattycollector forums discussing Walmart wave 5

 

[Super Camel]

These damn DC figures are gonna get me. I figured it was possible I'd get the adult collector DC figures from Mattel next year, at the very least just the Batman stuff. But these kids toys have it all.

They look good. They have really nice sculpts, details, paint, and articulation. They could almost be an adult collector toy. But then, sometimes I still just want and enjoy something that is very much a toy. A kids toy with kid toy features. And these have that too. The bright colors, plenty of accessories, and then the ability to clip things on like armor or jet packs and gliders, and all the cool features and possibilities with that Batmobile.

I didn't want to collect anymore DC figures after McFarlane but I think it's probably going to happen. Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in.

 

[RichardSimmonsRobot]

Everyone hearing what I'm hearing? Jungle rules for toy forums. Defending your admin title in mortal (k)ombat. If it's your first time on Articulated Thoughts, you HAVE to fight! It's the one thing all other toy forums lack...true stakes! We're talking true innovation here.

Lawn darts at dawn. We who are about to die solute you!

 

[ChrisLyne]

Pre toy fair my plan was to finish up the NECA TMNT stuff (hoping it continues after this year but even then my wish list is almost done) and mop up a few McFarlane DC figures that I missed and that would be me done for TMNT and DC outside of Mondo and Hot Toys. Same for MOTU Masterverse tbh.

But damn Mattel had a really good showing at Toy Fair. If the DC (and TMNT) collector lines are as good as the MOTU Chronicles line looks (and based on these "kids toys" I have no reason to doubt the DC line at least will be) then I'm going to have to seriously re-evaluate my collection and my plans going forward.