The Chatty Pointless Thread

[Damien]

Not with Jonathan Davis “singing” they didn’t.

It's subjective. I have no problem with Davis (I think his solo stuff is really good). But I might also have a different relationship with vocal styles than you do given my love of weird shit like metal where it sounds like the lead singer is part frog and part dying cat.

Not that I’ve heard.

I defy anyone to say that Change and Passenger aren't any good. If someone is saying that, I think they're just being unserious and it's criticism for the sake of dislike rather than technical failures in the music. And to be clear; 'I like this song' is different from 'this song is well made.'

They certainly helped form my resolve to stop listening to alt-rock in the 2000s.

You don't have to like them. But they're wildly popular and recognized as a great band even outside the alt. rock scene. Chester had a great voice. There was a lot of technical skill to the structure of the music. For my personal tastes... I fucking hate the rapping and it's what's keeping me away from non-Chester LP. Their new singer is phenomenal, but now rapper-fuck is basically the lead of the band and seems to be a lot more vocally engaged than he used to be and I hate it.
Either way, they're still a massively popular band and had a lot of influence on the way alternative rock went coming out of late 2000. Some good bands out there cite them, including Of Mice and Men and Bring Me The Horizon.

That said: I can only listen to the unplugged stuff, or whatever recordings don’t have all the dumb record-scratching and the make-my-ears-bleed jackass “rapping” in the back ground.

Paul McCoy (from 12 Stones) literally performed on one song more than 20 years ago, my dude. Not sure how his jackass rapping in the background is even relevant to whether anyone would like a band that has 5 studio albums, 4 and 11/12ths of which have no rapping.
Interestingly, Amy was forced to have Paul do backup vocals by the studio and has since re-released her own version of Bring Me To Life without his vocals and it's excellent. As are probably 85% of Evanescence songs. She's at talented singer and songwriter.


For whiny vocals.. yeah, I hate whiny vocals. That's why I despise Coldplay.

 

[AceofKnaves]

Hey, heartbreak I love. And I’ll listen to 90s industrial all day. Pretty Hate Machine is one of my favorite albums of all time. Trent can definitely whine, but he seems more “abject despair” than “teenage whitebro who is mad at Mommy and Daddy and can’t get a particular girl to touch his little wiener”.

But *actual* whining? Fuck that. Also just *sounding*’whiny (looking at you Dave Matthews) is enough for me.

And to be blunt: literally every numetal “singer” sounds like a whiny little butthead to me. Soooo punchable.

Like holy fuck: Jonathan Davis canNOT sing. At all. Barf.

 

[Ru1977]

rapper-fuck

Before Chester died, he was actually singing on a few tracks and those were kinda good. I did hear their new album and like the new singer, and got into her band from before LP as well actually. She reminds me a lot of some bands I liked in the 90s.

As are probably 85% of Evanescence songs

Agreed. They have some songs I may skip, but they aren't bad. There's just some I like A LOT more.

 

[AceofKnaves]

It's subjective

Absolutely!

'I like this song' is different from 'this song is well made.'

Absolutely, once again. Buuuut when I think “banger”, it’s got to be a song I actually enjoy listening to. Which I aggressively do not.

they're still a massively popular band

Which is another hard part for me: I have a massive aversion to “popular” music, simply because it is popular. Unless I really REALLY like it.

and had a lot of influence on the way alternative rock went coming out of late 2000

They definitely did, and they influenced alt-rock in ways that made me stop listening to the whole genre.

Interestingly, Amy was forced to have Paul do backup vocals by the studio and has since re-released her own version of Bring Me To Life without his vocals and it's excellent. As are probably 85% of Evanescence songs. She's at talented singer and songwriter.

No argument, and I love the new version.
That said: I was getting exposed to these bands on the radio/MTV, so I got their most front-facing stuff. I frequently get the “but if you only dove deeper . . .” line, but I’d have to *want* to. And no numetal I ever heard on the radio ever made me say “oooooh I want more of THIS!”

For whiny vocals.. yeah, I hate whiny vocals. That's why I despise Coldplay.

Oh their god, FUCK COLDPLAY.

 

[TheSameIdiot]

Linkin Park was one of my first favorite bands. I listened to Hybrid Theory and Meteora thousands of times. I fell off of alt rock—I listen to almost punk now—but Linkin Park is still a guilty pleasure.

Speaking of... I REALLY try to not say anything when my daughters are listening to Olivia Rodrigo, and I am really glad she has turned her heartbreak into massive success, but ah Christ already Liv. A teenage boy told you forever but didn't mean it, I understand but Christ.

Speaking out against Olivia Rodrigo might not be a bannable offense, but it is strikes one and two.

As an old fella who stopped listening to new music eons ago, she rocks.

 

[AceofKnaves]

But I might also have a different relationship with vocal styles than you do given my love of weird shit like metal where it sounds like the lead singer is part frog and part dying cat.

Oh ha ha ha yes THIS!

I remember buying a Cradle of Filth album in the mid 90s because it came highly recommended: “this is totally your thing!!”
It was NOT my thing, because Dani Filth is an affront to all stereophonic decency. No singing, no sale for me. I can take some “rock vocal” singing (Metallica was my favorite band when I was a young teen), but growling/shrieking/gurgling? Hell to the no. If I want big crazy metal, I’m throwing on Nightwish or Sabaton or basically anything with a *real* singer.

 

[Ru1977]

That's another thing I find interesting about my music taste: rather than sinking into 'today's music isn't as good as what I grew up with', I actually get into new current groups constantly. And it went in both directions because I really got into more 70s stuff than I used to like, and even rediscovered some 90s stuff I used to sneer at in high school that I enjoy now.

Anyway, I do not mean to offend any members of the Rod Squad, but I just hope Olivia is able to eventually move on. And she probably has, but I just hear the same dozens of songs about this guy over and over and I turn cynical.

 

[Ru1977]

Cradle of Filth

I'd never heard of them until IT Crowd...

 

[Ru1977]

“this is totally your thing!!”

I've learned to ask 'why' to that. "You like Star Wars? You'll love The Matrix!"

 

[AceofKnaves]

I've learned to ask 'why' to that. "You like Star Wars? You'll love The Matrix!"

Best possible analogy.

FUUUUUUUCK The Matrix.

I actually get into new current groups constantly.

Same!
I listen to this awesome leftist-goth podcast called Cemetery Confessions, and they constantly have reviews of new goth music and “sinister suggestions” for new media. I trust them so much I download their suggestions on sight.
There is an incredibly robust modern goth/deathrock movement, and I love it.

 

[Ru1977]

Awesome. Always great to have a reliable way of finding new music.

 

[DarthDre758]

I've learned to ask 'why' to that. "You like Star Wars? You'll love The Matrix!"

I question recommendations like this all the time. The one I used to get on Netflix was, "You liked Pulp Fiction? You'll love Boondock Saints!" Sure, I do love it, but not because I like Pulp Fiction. What's the correlation here? Cause they both say 'fuck' a lot and use guns?

 

[Ru1977]

 

[Ru1977]

But yeah, even if something is good and has similarities the person picks up on, it may not be what drew me to the original work, thus what I'm looking for in the thing they compared it to. I assume Matrix does have things in common with Star Wars, but certainly not my favorite aspects.

 

[AceofKnaves]

Actually being a goth causes a lot of bad-recommendation confusion. People tend to think all “dark” is the same.

It really, really, REALLY isn’t.