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PantherCult said:
What I'm saying is I don't want or need to see ANY of these people in bed together, not Scott and Jean
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I didn't know I needed it until I saw Scott and Emma together with Emma in a Phoenix costume. :oops:

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I don't really know if comics are still geared to 10 year-olds anymore, but if they are then I agree that keeping things at the "character X and Y are dating" is probably enough when it come to relationship talk.

Part of that is that comics are not known for their nuance (I feel) so it often come across as either "soap-opera-ish" or trying too hard to be "adult" to me.
 
Interesting personal bit about Logan’s “vibe”:

Pretty much whenever I am working/dealing with much-younger/underaged folks (which happens A LOT, both in psychotherapy and in theatre), I definitely always think “how would Logan act here?” Not like he is thee benchmark for correct behavior, but it’s a good place to start in situations like “how do I tell this 13 year old girl that I am not by any means accepting a backstage massage, WITHOUT making her feel like crap but also with a firm-as-hell message of NOPE AND NEVER.”
 
AceofKnaves said:
Interesting personal bit about Logan’s “vibe”:

Pretty much whenever I am working/dealing with much-younger/underaged folks (which happens A LOT, both in psychotherapy and in theatre), I definitely always think “how would Logan act here?” Not like he is thee benchmark for correct behavior, but it’s a good place to start in situations like “how do I tell this 13 year old girl that I am not by any means accepting a backstage massage, WITHOUT making her feel like crap but also with a firm-as-hell message of NOPE AND NEVER.”
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Y'know, I never really thought about it, but now that you bring that up I realize that Logan's approach to younger folks is very much what I've adopted for myself as well. I can't believe it never clicked with me before, but I DEFINITELY have modeled myself after him in how I deal with teens and pre-teens. I also have that protective streak with them...wow...I can't believe I never realized that Logan's honorable ways became such a part of my own personality. Thankfully, I don't fly into feral bloodlust during an intense confrontation. Well, not often anyway ;)
 
PantherCult said:
See, for me I'd be cool if we never knew anything at all about the sex lives of our heroes. Relationship status - sure, fine but the scenes of them undressed in bed with each other seem unnecessary...
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I dropped two LOTR analogies in another thread and I'm sorry, but I'm going to drop another.

I never once sat there and thought, "Man, that was a great story, but I really wish I had gotten a scene with Arwen riding Aragon hard above the covers".

There was a scene in Batman Mask of the Phantasm where you know Andrea Beaumont spends the night with Bruce (fades to black at night, resumes at dawn.....something like that). You know it happens but it's not shown.
 
yojoebro82 said:
There was a scene in Batman Mask of the Phantasm where you know Andrea Beaumont spends the night with Bruce (fades to black at night, resumes at dawn.....something like that). You know it happens but it's not shown.
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I remember being positively surprised at that scene, because it very clearly “went there”, and it really was necessary (IMHO) for the plot to see that Bruce and Andrea physically (re)connected like that, AND also it was done in a censor-dodging, subtle way that got the point across without any “awww yeah Batman’s getting LAID!” yuckyness.
Kind of ironic, given how grossly horny Timm eventually got for Bruce/Barbara. Talk about an absolutely unacceptable relationship. Fuuuuuuuck, eeew.
 
AceofKnaves said:
I remember being positively surprised at that scene, because it very clearly “went there”, and it really was necessary (IMHO) for the plot to see that Bruce and Andrea physically (re)connected like that, AND also it was done in a censor-dodging, subtle way that got the point across without any “awww yeah Batman’s getting LAID!” yuckyness.
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Right....necessary for the plot, and the writing was good enough that it got that point across without "going there". It can be done.
 
I think it all depends on what the thing is that you're reading/watching. Not everything is about what's directly plot-relevant. Many things are about tone, drama, even just excitement or getting a reaction.

It isn't -necessary- to show someone's brains being blown out of their head. Some movies will happily show that for reasons (there are good ones and bad ones) and some won't. Violence is a great comparison because A) fewer people seem upset about violence than about sex, which is a whole conversation, and B) the amount of it you show isn't usually strictly plot-relevant, but it IS relevant to the work overall. Sometimes it's just about being titillating, but that speaks to the work as well.

Lord of the Rings is an interesting example because I would argue, strongly, that there is far more overt examples of violence in the movies than the book, AND the violence is often used very differently in the movies than in the book. But it definitely gets far more of a pass than if they had, as so eloquently put, had Arwen riding Aragorn hard above the sheets.
Why is the one more acceptable than the other when they BOTH spoil the original intent and meaning?

I think we might often find, if we are truly honest with ourselves, that it has more to do with 'The West' having a very Puritanical view of sex that has ingrained itself in society so strongly that it can even impact those of us that are less/not religious.
 
AceofKnaves said:
I remember being positively surprised at that scene, because it very clearly “went there”, and it really was necessary (IMHO) for the plot to see that Bruce and Andrea physically (re)connected like that, AND also it was done in a censor-dodging, subtle way that got the point across without any “awww yeah Batman’s getting LAID!” yuckyness.
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That's the sort of level I wish comic books stayed at. I don't really think it adds much to have Bruce unzipping Selena's outfit on some rooftop. That isn't meant to be prudish as much as I feel comics, like Star Wars and some other things, are fine to keep things implied so that a pre-teen can read it and not be presented with stuff they aren't really thinking about themselves just yet.
 
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