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Every time he releases a list of cities to threaten I keep expecting Boston to turn up on the list and then I wonder if they look at the MC Escher drawing that is the layout of the greater Boston area, the chaos, the zero ability for chickenshit fascist incels to flee without getting lost, and the fact that this is arguably inch for inch the angriest 48 square miles in the country. When the threats first kicked off one of teams I worked for talked about what to do when they start arresting us, and now I'm like... maybe this place really is that fucking tapped in the head. What's his bucket, that human tick who is ostensibly in charge of ICE, tried to act tough on TV and got pantsed like a half dozen times before he shut up. Boston should be in their top five targets and always gets left off.
 
I think there's a lot of intertwined issues with Boston. It's not politically powerful, first of all. In the sense that it's almost certain to vote blue regardless of what nonsense he gets up to. But it's like.. disinterested blue. Massholes don't seem to care as much or be as activist about what's going on outside Mass.
Which means it's better left alone. Why kick a hornet's nest and turn a bunch of hair trigger thugs into political activists?
 
Damien said:
I think there's a lot of intertwined issues with Boston. It's not politically powerful, first of all. In the sense that it's almost certain to vote blue regardless of what nonsense he gets up to. But it's like.. disinterested blue. Massholes don't seem to care as much or be as activist about what's going on outside Mass.
Which means it's better left alone. Why kick a hornet's nest and turn a bunch of hair trigger thugs into political activists?
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I don't know if it's that they don't care - it's a hub or organizations working on projects to help folks out of state and internationally, and one of the teams I work with is actively suing the administration (and was boots on the ground with dealing with that first kidnapping case, the international student who got disappeared). But it's also fuck-you level blue. Even our handful of Republican politicians have to show their bellies to keep their jobs. It may just not be worth it--zero amount of political posturing or grandstanding is going to change minds here or swing votes, and even the bigots (and Boston has plenty of those) hate the fucking guy. But if you're going to deploy troops to a city or state, send them somewhere that won't be a tremendous pain in the ass and you can look good on camera. This is absolutely a place where people will pour Dunkin Donuts lahge regulahs into gas tanks if they have even the slightest opportunity. (ICE got swarmed out in Worcester at one point and needed a police escort to leave safely.)

(On a lighter note on the Boston rage thing - the entire state MOURNED when Dunks switched to paper cups from styrofoam, because when you throw a styrofoam cup of coffee against a windshield in the winter it makes the single most satisfying, ASMR for assholes CRUNCH you will ever hear in your life...)
 
docsilence said:
I don't know if it's that they don't care - it's a hub or organizations working on projects to help folks out of state and internationally, and one of the teams I work with is actively suing the administration
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I said it poorly. What I meant was more that people in Mass aren't visual activists. Internationally, they just don't make the news being performative about what they stand for, and therefore they're also easier to pretend don't really exist. It's not so much that they're not doing things - it's the the government right now is less worried about people actually trying to do things and more concerned with people who are -very visibly- doing things, because that makes them look bad.

So, as I think we agree, why kick a hornet's nest. You're not going to turn Mass red, and you might make yourself look weak and foolish by picking a fight in the one place in the country where people may actually be totally okay with being on camera kicking an ICE agent's teeth in.
 
Damien said:
I said it poorly. What I meant was more that people in Mass aren't visual activists. Internationally, they just don't make the news being performative about what they stand for, and therefore they're also easier to pretend don't really exist. It's not so much that they're not doing things - it's the the government right now is less worried about people actually trying to do things and more concerned with people who are -very visibly- doing things, because that makes them look bad.

So, as I think we agree, why kick a hornet's nest. You're not going to turn Mass red, and you might make yourself look weak and foolish by picking a fight in the one place in the country where people may actually be totally okay with being on camera kicking an ICE agent's teeth in.
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Gotcha. Yeah, it may just not be worth it. Too much work not enough juice for the squeeze, plus you run the risk of giving a belligerent plumber a soundbite on camera that ends up on tee shirts.
 
I spent so much time covering the vaccine rollouts, even worked for a company that was distributing the Moderna vaccine for a while. These guys really just want people to die.

And ICE is just a troll in a pig suit. If we get out of this we need names. None of these guys should ever feel a moment's peace the rest of their lives.

I saw a pic somewhere of a gift shop in a federal building with Trump 2028 hats for sale. He absolutely aspires to be Putin. Our only hope is cholesterol finally does its job.
 
docsilence said:
Every time he releases a list of cities to threaten I keep expecting Boston to turn up on the list and then I wonder if they look at the MC Escher drawing that is the layout of the greater Boston area, the chaos, the zero ability for chickenshit fascist incels to flee without getting lost, and the fact that this is arguably inch for inch the angriest 48 square miles in the country. When the threats first kicked off one of teams I worked for talked about what to do when they start arresting us, and now I'm like... maybe this place really is that fucking tapped in the head. What's his bucket, that human tick who is ostensibly in charge of ICE, tried to act tough on TV and got pantsed like a half dozen times before he shut up. Boston should be in their top five targets and always gets left off.
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www.bostonherald.com

Mayor Wu hits back after ICE Director Todd Lyons vows to ‘flood’ Boston: ‘Stop attacking cities’

Mayor Michelle Wu hit back at ICE Director Todd Lyons’ vow to “flood” Boston in response to her refusal to strip its sanctuary protections, saying that it doesn’t make sense for the feds to target …
www.bostonherald.com www.bostonherald.com

www.nbcchicago.com

Pritzker: Safety of Illinois' people the ‘highest priority' as Trump targets Chicago in crackdown

Gov. J.B. Pritzker said the safety of the people of Illinois is his “highest priority” after President Donald Trump revealed Chicago would likely be next for a federal troop deployment. “As Donald Trump attempts to create chaos that distracts from his problems, we’ll call it out for what it is...
www.nbcchicago.com www.nbcchicago.com

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docsilence said:
Our only hope is cholesterol finally does its job.
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Perfect world? Trump lives to be 200 years old and spends every year after this one being rejected by the world. The best case scenario is that we reject him and everything he's trying to do now while he's alive. Because, honestly, people are insane if they think this all stops with his death. He may be the cult of personality, but his death doesn't reverse our slide into authoritarian fascism. All it does is make him a martyr and then we have to listen to 20 years of 'if Trump were still alive and running this country, it would be paradise; we need to find another Trump.' In fact, I'd argue Trump dying right now could push us into a dictatorship even -faster- as his base scrambles and grabs for anyone, literally anyone, that they can visualize as being 'a strong leader man to protect us all.'
 
So far this morning I've seen posts about companies having 'scorecards' with this regime, student loan forgiveness being disallowed if you work for a company they don't like, companies giving up 10% ownership to them, Velveetamort talking about taking over cities and installing mayors of his choice...

But 'socialism bad'.
 
Damien said:
Perfect world? Trump lives to be 200 years old and spends every year after this one being rejected by the world. The best case scenario is that we reject him and everything he's trying to do now while he's alive. Because, honestly, people are insane if they think this all stops with his death. He may be the cult of personality, but his death doesn't reverse our slide into authoritarian fascism. All it does is make him a martyr and then we have to listen to 20 years of 'if Trump were still alive and running this country, it would be paradise; we need to find another Trump.' In fact, I'd argue Trump dying right now could push us into a dictatorship even -faster- as his base scrambles and grabs for anyone, literally anyone, that they can visualize as being 'a strong leader man to protect us all.'
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I go the other way on this one. I've thought a lot about it.

The elites have already capitulated. The media has already capitulated. The military has already capitulated. Businesses have already capitulated. Of course, this is all way too early. His approval is in the high 30s. One narrow election victory does not maketh a dictator.

I would like him to live to 120, spending every minute after January 21, 2029 in prison, but our democracy is too fragile. The faster this thing crumbles, the better. The sooner Vance took over, the less chance he'd be given any sympathy or the benefit of the doubt. (This is all speculation about the president's health. I am not and never have advocated for violence.)

I agree that the best case is he's rejected outright, but that doesn't seem likely. Maybe his approval is in the low 30s or high 20s (I think that's the absolute floor, by the way) by 2028. The Supreme Court allows him to run again. AOC or Pritzker (please let me have my fantasies, I need them) trounce Trump in the general election. He refuses to leave. Then what? He refused to leave the first time, and that's when Republicans kinda pretended this wasn't their ultimate goal. He's in a much stronger position now. He's been setting up a military dictatorship for seven months. How will it look in four years? Maybe the military is tired of all the winning by then, but he only needs a small number of loyalists to maintain power. In that case, a military coup is the only way to get him out. Then you're talking military vs. military, and he controls the planes and drones.

This is all a lot of wild speculation, but I've been speculating about Trump since 2015. Whenever I was wrong, it was because I didn't take the hypothetical far enough.
 
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