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Have continued to lose interest in WWE, mainly because I do not have Netflix (which I could survive to not see RAW live but follow the highlights) but also don't have ESPN+ for the PLEs, or Peacock for the SNMEs, and Smackdown alone is not enough to keep me engaged. So great job WWE, you thought you were going to get me to subscribe to 3 platforms to follow you, but all that did was push me away. (It helps that the product is a little up and down). I did like the idea of Dom facing Cena, fine with me for Cena to get the IC belt for a bit.

Watched some of the Blood and Guts matches on AEW tonight - I just can't enjoy the women's hardcore matches. Was worried for Skye Blue as she bladed too deep, and then twice did not go through a table (maybe not gimmicked well, maybe you need to weigh more than 120 lbs to break a table). Still not for me I guess.
 
I haven't even watched anything besides a few highlights in months. None of it is, in my opinion, all that great. Lots of bad booking across both companies. AEW squandering all its goodwill, and WWE/TKO's greed being excessive even by the standards of late stage Capitalism, has just been such a gigantic turn-off to wanting to engage with any of it.

Saw some highlights from the women's Blood and Guts and yeah, I agree. It did not look like I would have had a good time watching it. And, to be clear about my stance; it does not look like I would have enjoyed it even one iota more if they were men. That shit just isn't for me in general. Same way I was never an ECW guy.
 
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haha, I'm the opposite and think the womens match shoulda gone longer and main evented, and had even more crazy violent spots.
 
For whatever reason the women's hardcore comes across more like "we can do this too" spots than "its always been my dream to get dropped onto thumb tacks" to me, and I watch it more concerned for the health of the performer than the storyline of the match. The men have this to some extent as well, in that you get the sense if they aren't willing to be stapled or burned or stabbed they aren't really a wrestler in AEW. I always wonder how many performers feel they have to do this to keep their job. I find it odd that so much of the IWC gets fixated on whether the performers are given pushes and wins or losses and on labor practices, but seems to ignore the labor practice issue of who is proposing that the performers should be in a match that requires planned real pain, bleeding and injury risk instead of making something seem more violent than it is. I know, I am old...

Feuds should only reach the level of true personal animosity and vindictiveness after a long build. I prefer the wrestling logic to be more "I will beat you in the ring" then "I will try to murder you in the ring" - for the bad guys they want to win for ego driven, selfish reasons and will lie, cheat and resort to cheap shots and bad sportsmanship - and for monster heels just wanting to inflict pain; for the good guys they want to win to defeat the bad guy and uphold honor and integrity and show they are better, and maybe avenge some atrocity. The inbetweeners mix the two, and the "GMs" basically being "you want to fight, fine by me".
 
I can understand all that. But you know what's great?

when Magnum TA stabbed Tully blanchard in the head with a broken wooden chair leg to make him bleed and cry out in surrender in the steel cage i quit match
 
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For whatever reason the women's hardcore comes across more like "we can do this too" spots than "its always been my dream to get dropped onto thumb tacks" to me, and I watch it more concerned for the health of the performer than the storyline of the match. The men have this to some extent as well, in that you get the sense if they aren't willing to be stapled or burned or stabbed they aren't really a wrestler in AEW. I always wonder how many performers feel they have to do this to keep their job. I find it odd that so much of the IWC gets fixated on whether the performers are given pushes and wins or losses and on labor practices, but seems to ignore the labor practice issue of who is proposing that the performers should be in a match that requires planned real pain, bleeding and injury risk instead of making something seem more violent than it is. I know, I am old...

Feuds should only reach the level of true personal animosity and vindictiveness after a long build. I prefer the wrestling logic to be more "I will beat you in the ring" then "I will try to murder you in the ring" - for the bad guys they want to win for ego driven, selfish reasons and will lie, cheat and resort to cheap shots and bad sportsmanship - and for monster heels just wanting to inflict pain; for the good guys they want to win to defeat the bad guy and uphold honor and integrity and show they are better, and maybe avenge some atrocity. The inbetweeners mix the two, and the "GMs" basically being "you want to fight, fine by me".
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All this.
 
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Well, I'm not sure it's a 'real' Lucha show, it's a philadelphia based company formed by a bunch of former chikara students, that were all trained with a lot of lucha influences.
 
Got an email from Ticketmaster about an NXT show here in town. Went to check tickets and every ticket is $300. These people have lost their fucking minds.
 
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Prices have gone crazy it seems. I suspect that TKO trying to maximize revenue everywhere (which I understand) is not being balanced by long term impact on fan engagement (which I don't understand).

Needing 4 platforms (cable/streaming for USA for Smackdown, Netflix for Raw, ESPN for PLEs and Peacock of SNME) to stay up on things has to push some people away. And then not being able to go see Raw or Smackdown for a reasonable price probably alienates fans as well. At some point you make the barrier to entry to start following the product too great and your customer base stagnates or goes backwards.
 
Interested in what this proposed Netflix and WB merger will mean to AEW. No way WWE or Netflix will have AEW on the same platform as WWE. Curious how the newly spun off Discovery with the TV networks will work and how much cash they will have for things like AEW.
 
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