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It was an awesome moment watching AJ return with my daughter. AJ is one of her all-time favorites and she's been wanting to see her come back so badly. I also really enjoy AJ's work, so I'm very much looking forward to seeing what she does here. AJ is one of the few former wrestlers that I really think, down to my bones, deserves a run with the women's title. She deserves to be recognized as more than just 'former Diva's Champion.'
 
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It's kind of funny you have Divas era talent like Trish, Naomi, Nikki Bella, and now AJ having in some cases career-best runs in 2025, and then there's Natalya.
 
Natalya was seeming like she was going to do some cool things and then just.. nothing ever happens for her. I legitimately feel terrible for her because she's always been solid for them and she genuinely gets no respect at all from the company or the fans.
 
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She's just not very charismatic, poor thing. She's one of the main reasons I don't take IWC seriously when they complain about workrate and who can mimic whichever 1980s Japanese wrestler the best being the most deserving of screentime. This is a TV show, not a real sport. I'd rather watch Jey Uso or LA Knight or Jade Cargill instead of Natalya or DIY because they're more fun to watch.
 
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I'll give Brock his due, he can be amusing when we wants to be. But the thing with Brock is that he does at least look like a guy who could kill most people with his bare hands. Jade is the same, what typical woman is going to step up to Jade? But I agree, she is not smooth in the ring and it is a problem.

I think you sort of hit it with Natalya (and frankly many wrestlers though the years both male and female) - she is good enough at most everything but not really a standout in anything, which is kind of the definition of a mid-carder. She's not big enough to intimidate like Rhea, not as much of a high flyer to wow people like Iyo, not naturally charismatic like Becky, not as comfortable on the mic as Alexa, not as much of a smokeshow as as say Scarlett. WWE could put into title challenges and it not seem like a stretch but she was never going to be the face of a division.

I kind of assume most wrestlers that last a long time don't care all that much about title runs, the same way that many supporting and character actors probably don't care they are not top billed. There are people on the roster people will pay to see, and others they are happy to see. People at this point may pay to see Rhea or Becky and will be disappointed if they don't appear, but if you go to a WWE event you might be happy to see Natalya but I doubt too many folks would leave disappointed if she wasn't on the card.
 
Neither of them gets as vitriolic a response as Jade from internet wrestling fans...
I agree, she probably gets called out too strongly but I also think she is still limited. I'd like to see her succeed and her look is impressive, but in-ring flow is really important and she needs to work on that. (I should note this is different than botches or being reckless)

For what its worth, I think LA Knight is also a little too sloppy on the mic and in the ring at times, and I suspect this is why he hasn't gotten a push at the top that matched his fan reaction.
 
I find DIY very entertaining to watch.
DIY/The Way was very fun in NXT with Indi and Austin in the mix. I think on the main roster they haven't quite found their footing. But some of that is the booking, HHH has managed to have the tag division sort of meander I feel, and the Wyatts being in the mix isn't helping.

DIY, MC Machine Guns, Street Profits, New Day, Los Garza, Judgment Day are all somewhat grounded teams, that don't to me gel with the Wyatts and War Raiders schtick, and of course they insist in these random teams like Melo/Miz and Andrade/Fennix that don't really seem like anything like filler.
 
I'll give Brock his due, he can be amusing when we wants to be. But the thing with Brock is that he does at least look like a guy who could kill most people with his bare hands. Jade is the same, what typical woman is going to step up to Jade? But I agree, she is not smooth in the ring and it is a problem.
Brock is a lot better today than he was for the majority of his career, in terms of personality and even mic work (although they're careful not to give him very much of the latter even now). But you get around that with stuff like Paul Heyman, right? It's possible that Nattie would have risen to greater heights if WWE had seen enough in her to give her that mouthpiece to boost her up and billed her as a legit female Bret Hart that can just beat the ever living piss out of people. I'd have paid to watch that, for sure.


but if you go to a WWE event you might be happy to see Natalya but I doubt too many folks would leave disappointed if she wasn't on the card.
That's it. But I think it's important to note the ebb and flow of that. If Roman had remained a face, he'd be wrestling for GCW right now. Hell, Shawn Michaels wouldn't be the absolute star that he is if the machine hadn't decided to get behind him and figure out a way to make him a star. You can prove that by looking at Shawn 2.0 - Dolph Ziggler, that WWE basically wasted.
WWE could make people care about Nattie. They've just chosen not to. And people can make the argument that WWE would have done that if Nattie had gotten over at some point just on her personality, but I disagree based on all the times people were punished in WWE for getting over WITHOUT WWE's support; I.E. Zach Ryder/Matt Cardona or Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan.


I agree, she probably gets called out too strongly but I also think she is still limited. I'd like to see her succeed and her look is impressive, but in-ring flow is really important and she needs to work on that. (I should note this is different than botches or being reckless)
100% There's a certain level of hate for some performers that just transcends whatever the legitimate criticisms are. But it's also exhaustingly stupid when legitimate criticisms is conflated with mindless Internet performative rage. And yes, the ability to perform smoothly and know what you should be doing at all times is incredibly important to how a match looks and how it works, but it's not necessarily a matter of being unsafe. Again, that award goes to Nia on the women's side. But she's related to Rock, so we're stuck with her forever and all the women are basically told to shut the fuck up and never admit publicly that they got hurt just by wrecklessness and a shitty attitude.
Jade is just not a good wrestler. I want to see her improve before she takes up valuable TV time. Nia is actively dangerous to the roster and I'd honestly love to see her gone forever before she kills someone.

HHH has managed to have the tag division sort of meander I feel, and the Wyatts being in the mix isn't helping.
Ugh. I was so hoping that HHH, especially with his pedigree ( har har, get it?! ) would value tag teams more than he seems to. The hatred of tag teams was always known as a Vince thing, but HHH hasn't done a lot to elevate the division since Vince left. And that's a real shame. And yeah, it makes a lot of the teams seem less than they are, because they're working with what they're given. As you said, we're STILL getting the bullshit 'I dunno, throw these two guys together' teams. I hate that. Worst part of tag wrestling except in rare, special cases.

Wrestling is all about story. You can have truly great tag teams, but if you don't give them great stories then no one is really going to care.
 
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Tony Khan has announced that Bryan Danielson is joining the Dynamite commentary team and I don't know how I feel about this. It -feels- like it's too soon to have him sitting behind the desk calling matches when he's been pretty deeply involved, if now tangentially, in fairly current storylines. I mean... Mox betrayed and tried to literally murder him, and now he's just going to sit there and call matches? It feels a bit strange.
I LOVE Bryan Danielson and I'm also excited for anything he does within the wrestling bubble. His mic abilities were never the best, but I also feel like he loves wrestling so much that he'd be an amazing technical commentator. Just not sure how it will 'feel' once Mox is out there bleeding all over someone and Bryan just ...calls it normally? I dunno. Someone help me sort my thoughts on this.

Also, Friday was Cena's last Smackdown appearance, if I recall correctly? I've never liked Cena. At all. But this last run of his has almost changed my mind. I think it did a world of good to let him be a bad guy, if only for a few weeks. It gave him more personality than I think he's had since his Thuganomics days. And seeing the fans embrace him so much on his way out has just been really great to watch and, yeah, it's gotten me wrapped up in the 'thank you, Cena' hype. It's nice to see a wrestler, any wrestler, be able to mostly leave the business on their own terms. That doesn't happen a lot.
Don't love Brock being involved, and that's a match I have less than negative interest in seeing. But sure. It's almost a shame he can't wrestle Edge one more time on his way out - but also I'm getting Edge + Christian back together, so mixed feelings there.
 
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Here's some more positive topics:

Is the partnership with Alexa Bliss legitimately the best Charlotte has ever been? I think possibly. The 'sister-rivalry' style relationship seems to work and add more dimension to Charlotte's character than she's ever had before. I really don't love her work still, but it was far worse paired up with the 'Queen' personality that wasn't much of a personality. Seeing her chuckle and goof off a little with Bliss is a lot more fun and I hope WWE resists the 'must break them up right away and make them feud' urge they always get with tag teams.

I have loved Julia Hart forever - since she was on AEW Dark. Very talented. Black leaving AEW and basically destroying the House of Black (as if AEW didn't do that first) but I'm surprised how well she has bounced back and figured out a slightly altered direction for her character. Hopefully the Triangle of Madness stuff can go somewhere cool. Unfortunately, it does seem like they're positioning Thekla (who deserves it, mind) to be the main singles star here. It's weird because I think all three ladies have what it takes to be singles stars. But Hart is definitely my favorite and I don't want to see her lost in the shuffle.

Lash Legend is doing some good work lately, as well. I didn't think too highly of her at first - just a matter of her seeming really green. But she reminds me of Bianca Belair in the sense that her abilities in the ring and overall smoothness have seemed to develop fairly quickly. I haven't been able to really peg down what other people think of her, though. She seems to get a pretty good reaction, but we all know WWE pipes in crowd noise so it can be hard to tell.

I fucking love Aleister Black. I'll watch him in basically any match. But I'm just still not sure what they're doing with him. Seems very much like he's the same character as he was in AEW, but without the stable behind him. I can't decide if that's better or worse yet (although, I'll always be up for seeing him re-unite with Brody -- those two are terrifying together). I legitimately thought, during his NXT days, that Black was going to be the new Undertaker. But if they're finally going to pull the trigger on something like that, I do think they've gotta do it soon and make him feel a bit more unbeatable than he does right now. Kudos to them for resisting the urge to immediately pair him with Zelina Vega.
 
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so, watching the return now, and she looks incredible, but it's very funny to me that becky would be remotely intimidated
 
so, watching the return now, and she looks incredible, but it's very funny to me that becky would be remotely intimidated
I don't know if it was intentional (because Becky and Seth love being goofy and extra), but Becky's reaction to AJ's music was definitely over-the-top. I thought it was in a fun way, rather than that being a complaint. But it was absolutely noticeable. I don't know if I can argue there's a good in-universe reason for Becky to be that scared of AJ.... Becky is absolutely played up as one of the truly 'tough' women on the roster, so it does play a little weird for her to be -that- terrified to see AJ. I guess you could say it's more surprise than terror? I mean, she did attack AJ right off rather than doing the heel run-away thing.
 
I mean, Becky went to clown college and she's playing up the cowardly funny heel perfectly, in a way probably no other woman on the roster could
 
I thought it was little too much to be honest - but some of that was they needed to wait for AJ to bask in the return, so Becky was left with little to do but vamp.

I might have played it differently - have her openly mock that AJ has been gone for 10 years and isn't in her league and Punk was risking his own wife's health because he is a coward - for AJ to go crazy on her...then she could be scared and shook.
 
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