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Ru1977 said:
A Tales Of Mandalorians or something with Din as a focus is brilliant.
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I wish they'd do a Tales of the Din where it covered Din Djarin and what his life was like before Season One of the Mandalorian, and then the other character in that Tales Season would be Din Grogu, showing what his life was like before Season One.

I'd love to see how Grogu got separated from Kelleran Beq and ended up where he did in Season One.
 
docsilence said:
Thanks for that background information on the Perrin scene. I love that, in a story with so much moral grayness and pushing of ethical boundaries, they gave him some closure.
He might have been openly a cad and a bit of a bastard, but that idea - you never trusted me, you could have - adds a level of pathos to what could have been a one note character. I know in some of the legacy media he plays into the game to give Mon some coverage, and I think that last moment - is Perrin, who kept his mouth shut while his wife risked life and limb, whose personal sacrifice was relatively small and a bit selfish but not without merit by keeping her secret, allowed some peace in the end? Or did we see a moment where, once his job is done, he makes an enemy of a man who might quietly have him removed and the affair is a bit of quiet suicide?

Semi-related, there was a lingering look Sculdin gave Krennic at the party that made me think: that man is coming around and might be angry enough if not to rebel, at least to fuck off Coruscant and seek his fortunes elsewhere.

Ru--I honestly think two seasons of Mandalorian and then a fresh start with THE MANDALORIANS about the intertribal politics would have made for a better overall arc. It became a completely different show after a while, and while I like both, they don't feel fully connected. If we ever get an animated Din Djarin, give us a Tales from... about him before he meets Grogu, just being a relentless hardass on the Outer Rim or something. Space western at its purest.
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Regarding the Sculdin bit- I was reading (maybe in the same article as the Perrin stuff? Can't remember) that the plan for Sculdin
and why we presumably see his wife with Perrin at the end, was that he owned the broadcast station that refused to cut off Mon's speech, so he was arrested for questioning and never returned.


Tales of the Mandalore could be an interesting one! That's sorrrta what Mando is as a show in general, but some deeper dives into characters like Din, Satine, Koska, Axe, etc. could be cool. I'd say the Armorer as well, but part of me loves the mystery around her and I don't want to know too much more.

I'd also take a Tales of the Rebellion, or something similar, where we learn more about Enfys Nest, and maybe Jyn's early years. Or both, since in the Solo novel, there's an epilogue scene where Enfys goes to Saw and meets a young Jyn and sorta helps inspire her.
 
Tales of the Rebellion just made my hair stand on end. They could tell a million points of light stories with that. ('m trying to pick the best system to run a TTRPG campaign focusing on small rebel stories actually.)
joshsquash729 said:
Regarding the Sculdin bit- I was reading (maybe in the same article as the Perrin stuff? Can't remember) that the plan for Sculdin
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MAN I wish we got to see that. There was such a lingering look from Sculdin at that party that I KNEW there was something else to his story and it would've been a counterpoint to some of the other stories. Also adds to the layer cake of Mon's necessary paranoia and how to stay safe she may have had more allies than she realized, but couldn't trust or believe nearly anyone around her.
 
He mentioned seeing Star Wars in San Francisco, and it reminded me that when he was a kid, he accompanied his mother in the occupation of Alcatraz in 1969.
 
About Kleya

I saw some were hoping she'd turn out to be Cassian's lost sister. And I totally get that, but I like how they went with the show. Having her be Cassian's sister... I dunno, probably not as bad to me as Luke and Leia, but still... it's better this way. Yes Luthen started collecting orphans and repurposing them I guess, but it's okay that they aren't genuinely related.

AND I really appreciate the 'Cassian's lost sister' thread actually never got resolved. Maybe she's another story for someone else to tell, but I'm kinda fine with it playing out the way life does sometimes. He started out on this one path, then found the one he was meant to be on. Didn't find his sister, never even learned his child exists. But he had a purpose and he fulfilled it without hesitation.

I also saw a comment, I think on io9, saying when Luke went down that trench, he carried Cassian, Jyn, Luthen, Chirrut, Baze, Galen, Bail, Maarva, Cinta, Brasso, Nemik, and so on, with him. Then of course someone had to say something like "Yeah, remember how well the went over when Rey did that in Rise of Skywalker?"
 
On the sister story arc:
I actually love that they don't finish it, because never finding his sister informs every decision Cassian makes with the women he meets for literally the rest of his life. He always goes back for them: Bix, Maarva, Kleya... and he doesn't leave Jyn. He stays with her to the very end. He could never find his sister but he could make sure he never leaves anyone behind.

Bix even says it on the farming planet. "Cass will come back for us." They know he will never abandon them.
 
@docsilence Exactly! Yes! I was kinda thinking that with Jyn but hadn't gotten there about all the others.

And it's funny because I remember reading reactions to Rogue One about how they didn't like this grey, not-entirely-good Rebel character, when the Rebels are meant to be unquestionably heroic... but really, Cassian kinda was in ways that really mattered. He also really had an eye on the big picture, like not leaving Tivik to be captured.

Speaking of lost sister's, watching Rogue One again I noticed they mentioned Tivik's sister but never show her on Jedha, heh.
 
Ru1977 said:
About Kleya

I saw some were hoping she'd turn out to be Cassian's lost sister. And I totally get that, but I like how they went with the show. Having her be Cassian's sister... I dunno, probably not as bad to me as Luke and Leia, but still... it's better this way. Yes Luthen started collecting orphans and repurposing them I guess, but it's okay that they aren't genuinely related.

AND I really appreciate the 'Cassian's lost sister' thread actually never got resolved. Maybe she's another story for someone else to tell, but I'm kinda fine with it playing out the way life does sometimes. He started out on this one path, then found the one he was meant to be on. Didn't find his sister, never even learned his child exists. But he had a purpose and he fulfilled it without hesitation.

I also saw a comment, I think on io9, saying when Luke went down that trench, he carried Cassian, Jyn, Luthen, Chirrut, Baze, Galen, Bail, Maarva, Cinta, Brasso, Nemik, and so on, with him. Then of course someone had to say something like "Yeah, remember how well the went over when Rey did that in Rise of Skywalker?"
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Agreed. It would've felt too "small world", which the series already gets enough flak for. I'd also heard the theory that she was Leia in disguise, and that her name was a clue. Fan theories can really be silly sometimes. Not every character has to be interconnected somehow. Can't remember where I heard it- maybe from the Q&A I went to, or maybe even from the show itself (been a long week), but I remember hearing someone- I wanna say Tony- say that, if Cassian had found his sister, he'd essentially have stopped trying. Same with having a life with Bix- if he got what he wanted, he wouldn't feel the need to save people anymore, but because he has that lingering unresolved mission, because he's unable to really settle down and have the family he's always longed for, he's always taking it upon himself to rescue someone from their fate.

One of my favorite parts of Andor, and Rogue One, really, is just that- how unfair some things are. Not that I don't love a good happy ending, but how often in real life does everything get tied up neatly with a bow? Some things never get resolved, or they get passed on to the next generation or batch of people to resolve. The toll that trauma and war take on people isn't fair- good people lose everything or get killed. That's my weird nerdy pet peeve- when there's a huge, all-out, end-all be-all battle, and the only people who die are the bad guys or, at most, a tertiary character. I like my stakes like I like my steaks- big and juicy, darn it!

Edited to add- looks like Doc beat me to it on the sister point, but nice to see I wasn't just imagining things!
 
joshsquash729 said:
Some things never get resolved, or they get passed on to the next generation or batch of people to resolve.
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Everythign you said was well put and I agree, but the quote above made me think of the ST. That's one of the most immediately apparent disappointments to me about the ST is... they DID resolve it and the Empire wasn't something that needed to be passed on to the next generation. I know we've all gone round and round, even in this thread, about the ST's failings, but just made me shake my head about it once more. The PT passed the torch, basically, to the OT, leaving it to Luke, Leia, Han, and now Mon, Cassian, Jyn, and so on to resolve. There wasn't anything left to pass on, so the ST needed their own adventures.

Eh... I'm tired of bringing it up too.
 
Tony said he had a "melodramatic" option for the sister early on that he left out because it didn't feel true. I wonder if it was one of the major fan theories leading up to the finale.
 
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