Star Wars Black Series

It's funny, the most, I guess hated, scenes/episodes of Andor were basically addressing the whole "common cause but can't get their heads out of their own asses" allegory for when the good guys can't align what they're doing and just end up hamstringing and hurting each other. People said those episodes in the jungle were wasted but as an allegory for, fuck, I mean anyone trying to stand up against the bad guys now, they were SPOT ON.

I want small stories about people being brave, but I also know Star Wars was built on epics, and it takes both to keep the franchise running. I think it takes both, because for all its flaws, my gawd Star Wars has given us a giant fucking playground to tell stories in. Space pirates and wizard-samurais, gangsters and fascists, mysteries and mythologies, it's all there waiting to be explored.
 
I'm gonna be honest, I want more epic, well-written Jedi stories, with cool, good characters played by charismatic actors. Everything else is cool, but pretty B-tier for me. I would like to see a story combining the styles of prequel Jedi with the OG style Jedi.

I haven't personally seen anything that convinces me that Star Wars CAN go beyond this. Andor was good, Mandalorian is cool, but I need cool Jedi stuff more. I mean, it's basically samurai stories, there's so much they can do with it.
 
spinc said:
I'm gonna be honest, I want more epic, well-written Jedi stories, with cool, good characters played by charismatic actors. Everything else is cool, but pretty B-tier for me. I would like to see a story combining the styles of prequel Jedi with the OG style Jedi.

I haven't personally seen anything that convinces me that Star Wars CAN go beyond this. Andor was good, Mandalorian is cool, but I need cool Jedi stuff more. I mean, it's basically samurai stories, there's so much they can do with it.
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I still wish Acolyte had been good. I wanted to love that show so bad for this exact reason. And I think a lot of the ingredients were there... love all the actors, dig the idea we'd get to see some more nightsister stuff, love a story set during the heyday of the Jedi Order... the script though...

Andor proves to me you can have very sophisticated writing in Star Wars. There's no physical law against it. My guess is that most of the shows just don't have the time to do it.
 
Also doesn't help that Star Wars fans can often skew toward absolutes (ba dum ching). Andor is an elegant political thriller. It feels like Star Wars. Skeleton Crew is an Amblin-style space romp. It's Star Wars. (Kids can exist there!). I liked Acolyte myself but I would still like "Jedi as flawed samurai struggle with their place in the universe" story that lands. Mandalorian was great as a space western (I think it kinda rambles on too far afield but really started strong). I'd love to see a Corran Horn show about a Jedi-Come-lately hero in a universe where he'll always be second-fiddle to the other Jedi guy. I think the franchise can support Top Gun in Space (I never read 'em but folks LOVED the Rogue Squadron books, maybe Starfighter can capture some of that magic?). Bad Batch is a fucking fantastic post-war story about forgotten warriors. I didn't love Ahsoka as much as I loved the animated shows that preceded it, but that series can and should fill that mythic adventure unraveling the knots of mysticism in the universe.

I think the only thing I don't like in Star Wars is people saying Star Wars can't be a bit of everything. It's a big fuckin' galaxy. Hop on the starships that appeal to you, and let your fellow travelers enjoy their own rides.
 
GreatCeasarGhost said:
I still want a teen Leia spy series!
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I want a kid spy Leia series. Vivien Blair was the best part of Obi-wan.

Although maybe she is a teen by now.

spinc said:
I haven't personally seen anything that convinces me that Star Wars CAN go beyond this. Andor was good, Mandalorian is cool, but I need cool Jedi stuff more.
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Mandalorian was my jam. Season 1, at least. It was so refreshing to get away from Skywalkers and just adventure around the universe they'd left for us. They still had to do Jedi stuff, if course, but it was from an outsiders perspective.
 
I think the writers need to stick more to the conventional character tropes and stories. The OG Trilogy is nothing but conventional storytelling, and it works great. Even the Prequels have conventional stories and character arcs, it's just more pedantic, but it still works.

But Disney hasn't really stuck to conventional narratives. They started with TFA, and it's the only movie of the sequel trilogy that's decent. Mando started off as a western, and it was working, until they went off the rails with it. They keep trying too hard, trying "new" things, and it just doesn't work.
 
Fletch said:
I want a kid spy Leia series. Vivien Blair was the best part of Obi-wan.
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She really did steal every scene she was in. Timing-wise they probably couldn't get a show off the ground fast enough to make it a kid spy series for Leia, but she should keep the role if they bring young Leia back at all.

Kenobi is a weird one for me. As I watched it, I LOVED it, but primarily because you could tell Ewan loves being Obi-Wan and that makes the whole thing work really well. There's love and care there. But I don't remember much about it and I usually have a perfect memory for story. It kinda didn't stick like most Star Wars stuff does. I can't say anything negative about it, I actively appreciated it, I can recall entire scenes, but it's not one that I think about a lot afterward the way I think about Andor or Bad Batch or Rebels, or even the way Stevenson's "I miss the idea of it" haunts me from Ahsoka.
 
I don't think I've disliked any of the D+ Star Wars shows. They seem to fall under one of three categories- either Phenomenal, Imperfect but Fun, and Disposable Fun. Kenobi skews more toward the last one, but it's still an enjoyable time. Considering what a major character she is, it's still coocoo bananas that we haven't gotten a young Leia figure, especially when we got the Fourth Sister. Don't get me wrong, I'm always down for more aliens and more Inquisitors, but Leia was the catalyst for the show, essentially. I've heard all the "they don't like to make action figures of kids" thing, and maaaybe I'd believe it if, you know, we hadn't gotten Omega, young Anakin, and the entire cast of Skeleton Crew. Could make an argument that one is animated, one is now a legal adult, but the SC kids kinda squash that argument.
 
That's a good point about the not-wanting-to-make-kids thing. They've definitely broken that rule in recent years. Maybe they didn't get the likeness stuff for the Leia actress because of their previous stance but did do so for skeleton crew?

Also just want to say I appreciate finding someone else who uses "cuckoo bananas" as a phrase. It's one of those things I don't even know I"m saying out loud. Literally said it to my sister the other day referring to something at work.
 
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I loved Young Leia, mainly because she reminded me SO much of my daughter when she was that age, and I told her so before she ever watched the series. When she finally watched it, she said she laughed through the whole thing because she knew I was right! One of her friends even said "yep, I can hear that coming out of your mouth when you were seven"!
 
I have no use for Kenobi figures on my shelf without Little Leia - that is such a strange omission. I've got an Omega just chillin' if I ever get around to a custom, but I can tell you Ceremonial Leia's head does not look good on that body. 😬

And yet, I have blue shirt Ben on my rando shelf, Visions on my "Heroes" shelf and the finale Obi vs split-helmet Anakin in the back. Tala and Ned can't be given away, so they sit in a pile. I grabbed Reva at Ollie's for $5 because I saw a cool custom that made Dark Leia using that body, but I have yet to even attempt that. And I have Fourth Sister because that figure looks amazing. So I have some - and I resent most of them. :)
 
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