Star Wars Black Series

joshsquash729 said:
I'd watch/read that! It's one of my favorite oft-forgotten details that, at the epilogue of the Solo novel, Enfys gives the coaxium to Saw and meets a young Jyn Erso (the author wanted it to be Bail and a young Leia, but the timeline didn't quite match up). They seem to inspire each other in the short time together, so it would be interesting to see Enfys' reaction to both their deaths. I've always thought the Rebellion would be a good focus for a Clone Wars-esque show. Obviously we got Rebels and Andor, even Bad Batch to an extent, but Rebels focused heavily on the Jedi side of things, even moreso as it went along. I'd love a more grounded, non Force sensitive story. Not saying you can't put a few lightsabers in from time to time, but Star Wars has always been about the little guy fighting back, so show us more of the little guys, you know? Bring back some of the key missing players we already know like Enfys, the surviving members of The Path from Kenobi, maybe even flesh out Breha Organa more. I can totally see it working.
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Yeah. I think there's still plenty of stuff left to be explored even in the very well trod piece of carpet that is the rebellion era, so long as you don't feel the need to constantly dip into the force stuff. And you shouldn't have to. It's a whole galaxy out there at war.
 
NORM said:
Solo were the first figures from a single movie that consistently employed the digital face prints. Every figure looked great to me as a result. I also loved the variety of characters and silhouettes from this film. There was that big big guy that held Qi’ra as a slave? The Jon Favreau four armed guy on Woody’s team. And L3-37. I just loved it. I will never understand the disdain, or even lukewarm feelings for this installment of the franchise
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I too loved the movie and neither will I. The creative differences and bloated budget-especially the budget-were its downfall. I was hoping to see more adventures of Young Han Solo and Chewbacca. I especially loved it because there were no Jedi or dealings with the Force.
 
I remember rolling my eyes hard when Enfys was revealed to be a beginning of the Resistance. Not only did it feel off-tone for Han at this point, but I'd already had my fill with birth of the rebellion in Clone Wars and Rebels. And then they did it again in Andor. Just so much birth of the rebellion.
 
Like watching the history of the United States by watching the history of each state.
 
All the arguments between Luthen and Saw. "Aren't you tired of arguing with people who agree with you?" A bunch of little fires that don't become a roaring flame until later.

I think, because Star Wars is often framed as a hero's story, some viewers want that singular SPARK OF THE REBELLION moment, but it's also often framed as historic allegory, so that other part of the audience wants MANY SMALL MOMENTS OF REBELLION.
 
Right- that's the whole point of the Maya Pei brigade in season 2 of Andor- petty squabbles are holding back all these factions that are essentially fighting for the same thing. Unlike the Empire which, at the time is a ruthless, well-organized, intelligent operation, you just have a bunch of disorganized, leaderless, powerless (or powerful only in certain scenarios), well-meaning citizens that won't mean anything until they unify. Even in our world, you have people fighting for the same cause who just refuse to acknowledge another faction of their cause just because they feel differently about X and Y.
 
docsilence said:
I think, because Star Wars is often framed as a hero's story, some viewers want that singular SPARK OF THE REBELLION moment, but it's also often framed as historic allegory, so that other part of the audience wants MANY SMALL MOMENTS OF REBELLION.
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I think the story of the Rebel Alliance coming together is a good one and feels unique to the setting. It's just something I felt satisfied with by the end of Clone Wars and definitely into Rebels.

I'm personally not interested in additional stories of different Rebels doing different things. I'm not arguing against them making more of them for those who want it, I'm just not one of them.
 
Though the setup was goofy, one of the things that ends up most realistic about the pre-rebellion era under the empire is a lot of those rebel groups are actually separatists who just never stopped fighting. And so of course they're not actually that trusting of these former republic folks who just now started to have a problem with their screwed up government.

Andor, in that scene with Luthen and Saw, did a good job when they actually name a half dozen groups, and if you know the setting you can kind of imagine what those individual groups stand for in isolation.

Fletch said:
I remember rolling my eyes hard when Enfys was revealed to be a beginning of the Resistance. Not only did it feel off-tone for Han at this point, but I'd already had my fill with birth of the rebellion in Clone Wars and Rebels. And then they did it again in Andor. Just so much birth of the rebellion.
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I 100% agree that Han being the hero in that tale is not great. I think there are a lot of good parts in that movie, but the connective tissue between them doesn't quite work for me. I watched it again recently (hence why I've been thinking of Enfys, I did grab her BTW, she'll be here next week) and I felt the same as I did the first time.

I think they could have cut basically everything before the train heist, and I think I would have preferred that time be spent on him running other small missions with the crew, showing that they've been together for a while, and Han trusts them. Then Beckett's betrayal not only hits harder, but you might have a better chance to set it up earlier. You don't really see him do much devious shit prior to then, so it feels out of character. You'd also get to spend some more time with that crew before they die. I also feel like Lando should probably have been either on the team, or introduced a lot earlier.

I think there's a way to rearrange the film so that Han still is the "good guy" but in a more scoundrel-y way. Like maybe it's less about doing the right thing, and more about fucking over Beckett once he's been betrayed. Maybe more like Han is in some position where he can't get the loot, but he *can* stop Beckett from getting it by sabotaging him so Enfys has her chance. I'd rather Han be good incidentally, on his way to being a disillusioned scoundrel.

All that said, I love Enfys herself. A teenage space-pirate who starts out on a revenge quest against the cartels and ends up a freedom fighter? Good shit. Rad look. Great actor for the part. Give me more please.
 
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