Snow C.A.T. Live!

Honestly, a reissue of Snow Job might be the best thing they could do to help. Maybe the deluxe snow serpents and arctic BATs too for those that want more or passed the first time. We haven’t had much beyond those few figures in this type of environment. That first Storm Shadow ninja force look but he may just need a full redo at this point.
 
Snow C.A.T.

6,241 / 8,000 (+162) 78.01% of funding goal with 41d 18h left.

Well today might be payday for some people and maybe we'll see a bit of a spike over the weekend. Or maybe not. Either way this is still chugging along with triple digit daily gains. Slow and steady for now.
 
canprime said:
Snow C.A.T.

6,241 / 8,000 (+162) 78.01% of funding goal with 41d 18h left.

Well today might be payday for some people and maybe we'll see a bit of a spike over the weekend. Or maybe not. Either way this is still chugging along with triple digit daily gains. Slow and steady for now.
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Also Holiday weekend for America. And today is the day you'd usually do the gathering and party.
 
My reason for not wanting to back this and wanting to back is this is, normally APCs are not bigger than tanks regardless of how many personnel are carried in the back. Tanks are normally larger to carry all the tank rounds it has to fire and room in the back for the loader. The HISS being a tank in my old retired military mind should still be bigger than the Snow C.A.T. It literally irks me that one of my favorite Joes who in my mind should have been a regular release is part of this project. I understand why but still.
 
@jayjonah If it helps, the HISS isn't actually called a tank. It's a HIgh Speed Sentry, which suggests a faster, more agile (and maybe smaller) vehicle than yer battle tank. According to the specs, its guns are 90mm, which is technically smaller than the 120mm fired by an Abrams.
 
Fletch said:
@jayjonah If it helps, the HISS isn't actually called a tank. It's a HIgh Speed Sentry, which suggests a faster, more agile (and maybe smaller) vehicle than yer battle tank. According to the specs, its guns are 90mm, which is technically smaller than the 120mm fired by an Abrams.
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sorry man, not what online says.
Here's why it's considered a tank:

  • Appearance and Functionality:
    The H.I.S.S. has a low, tracked chassis, a turret or elevated gunner's position, and is depicted as engaging in combat with other vehicles and infantry.
  • In-Universe Designation:
    It is explicitly referred to as a "tank" in various G.I. Joe media and toy packaging.
  • Role in Combat:
    It's a key offensive weapon for Cobra, used to assault G.I. Joe positions and engage their vehicles.
  • Popular Perception:
    The H.I.S.S. tank is iconic and widely recognized as a main battle vehicle within the G.I. Joe franchise.
However, some argue that it wouldn't meet the specific criteria of a modern military tank in terms of armor thickness, crew protection, and operational capabilities. For instance, some versions have exposed gunner positions, and its overall design might be more suited to a light armored vehicle role than a main battle tank. Nevertheless, in the context of the G.I. Joe universe, the H.I.S.S. is widely understood to be Cobra's main battle tank.
 
I'm almost convinced "Hiss Tank" became somewhat more used because of the website going by that name. Did I say "Hiss Tank" in my younger days because I often do now.

www.forbes.com

This Is Not A Tank! A Layperson’s Guide To Armored Fighting Vehicles

Military professionals love to complain about the civilian tendency to label any military vehicle with armor on it a tank. It's not just pedantry. Here's a guide to the many kinds of armored fighting vehicles and the disparate missions they're designed to perform.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 
jayjonah said:
My reason for not wanting to back this and wanting to back is this is, normally APCs are not bigger than tanks regardless of how many personnel are carried in the back. Tanks are normally larger to carry all the tank rounds it has to fire and room in the back for the loader. The HISS being a tank in my old retired military mind should still be bigger than the Snow C.A.T. It literally irks me that one of my favorite Joes who in my mind should have been a regular release is part of this project. I understand why but still.
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If I may... I think you gotta open it up to the fantasy aspect. When you do that, the HISS makes sense as a light tank. If it's sacrificing some firepower/staying power for mobility (which it obviously is based on the size and the name) it makes way more sense. Especially if you allow for the cartoon idea that it actually fires lasers from its primary and undermounted cannons so it doesn't need extra room for large shell storage.
Or you can go the route of some kind of sci-fantasy caseless ammo situation.

Isn't the US army about to start fielding some new light tank as part of that MPF program? I think the last I read was the plan was for that to have a 105mm main gun and it looked pretty little compared to other tanks. I never saw any comparisons, but it looked to me like it was smaller than the current APC platforms like the Stryker. And it's definitely smaller than the Bradley they're currently using in a transport role.

Obviously YMMV, but I think the HISS being kind of small is what makes it interesting compared to a beast like the Snowcat. This is Cobra/MARS embracing that futurism Cobra is known for and realizing that a slow-and-heavy tank wasn't suited to getting around and away from the Joes' more military-standard heavy chonky bois and that they needed something more streamlined that still fit within the general class of being an infantry-supporting vehicle-buster.
Just my thoughts. Partly because I think you should totally buy a Snowcat and have it fight your HISS.
 
Damien said:
This is Cobra/MARS embracing that futurism Cobra is known for and realizing that a slow-and-heavy tank wasn't suited to getting around and away from the Joes' more military-standard heavy chonky bois and that they needed something more streamlined that still fit within the general class of being an infantry-supporting vehicle-buster.
Just my thoughts. Partly because I think you should totally buy a Snowcat and have it fight your HISS.
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I look at it as a light, fast, and cheap bullshit morale booster.
 
Damien said:
I originally typed that I think the HISS is basically the Cobra ground version of a TIE Fighter. Firepower and speed, but like.. try not to bump into anything.
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Now I'm thinking in Command and Conquer terms where you'd just spam HISS out while several SnowCats trundle along to the base with superior armament.
 
altcunningham said:
Now I'm thinking in Command and Conquer terms where you'd just spam HISS out while several SnowCats trundle along to the base with superior armament.
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Gives Monty Python vibes where HISS tanks can't do any damage to the Snowcat so they start yelling at the Joes to come out, but Flint is yelling out of his Snowcat like "I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"
 
In my head, the Cobra stuff has always been smaller/kind of whacky (FANG copter, I'm looking at you) because they're a terrorist organization that doesn't have the production capabilities a militarized country might have. Sure, they probably have some deal going with a Third World country or two, but they gotta stretch that funding. That and transporting stuff on the down-low would require smaller more concealable equipment. Things like the Rattlers were stolen A-10s and Cobra had a limited supply.

In fact, I've always considered everything in limited supply as far as Cobra goes. It's a terrorist organization that wouldn't necessarily have more than a few hundred troops at a time, if that. They definitely wouldn't have battalions of Hiss tanks.

This is all in my head, mind you, not arguing anything one way or the other.

In more thread-specific news, after three days of trying to get my credit card to go through on Hasbro Pulse, I finally broke down and used PayPal tonight (basic stubbornness had kept me from doing it earlier. What kind of legit website can't take a credit card?)

Anyhow, I'm now an official backer.
 
I'm definitely in the "of course I'm going to back this, I just haven't decided if I want to use Paypal or get points on a credit card" stage.

There are definitely days I think I benefit from knowing absolutely NOTHING about real weapons or armaments. I truly mostly buy things based on how fast they make me say "OH COOL" and if I can justify the cost based on vibes. (I also used to get into fake fights with a friend who wrote hard sci-fi because he'd get mad at me as a fantasy author - "I need to do actual research and you're over there waving a hand in the air going "MAGIC" and I hate you for it")
 
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