NECA '87 Toon TMNT

One thing that I thought was interesting is that Super7 debuted a new TMNT line -- the ReAction+ TMNT figures with O-rings. Would seem weird to start a new line that doesn't launch until H2 (and currently only has Raph and Donnie) if they're losing the license soon. I think whatever happens happens with both NECA and Super7.
 
I was telling my wife just last night that if NECA loses the license, I will have a sense of relief, I feel. The weight shall be lifted.

I know that I will never stop collecting the line of my own volition. It's the line I have always wanted Turtles to be my whole life. What my rose colored glasses saw with the old Playmates. And at this point, as far in to this line as I am, which is pretty much everything, I cannot just walk away on my own. I just can't.

...but if I have no choice? Well. That's that. Yes, it bums me out, I don't necessarily want it to be over, but it certainly forces me to go through the stages of grief and be able to move on and let go.
 
I held off on collecting the NECA TMNT stuff for many year. Literally would have stuff in my cart at Target and then put it back at the last minute. I did this because I knew I’d get in deep and didn’t have the space at the time. Once I got a house with a dedicated “office” (read action figure room), I went all in. Still have a lot to catch up on, but would be a bummer for the line to end.


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One thing that I thought was interesting is that Super7 debuted a new TMNT line -- the ReAction+ TMNT figures with O-rings. Would seem weird to start a new line that doesn't launch until H2 (and currently only has Raph and Donnie) if they're losing the license soon. I think whatever happens happens with both NECA and Super7.
I think what this -could- come down to is; how far along in development were those figures? Super7 isn't known for moving through design and production quickly. Maybe they expected these to be ready much earlier. But if they were far enough in development by the time it was obvious they'd lose the license, then they either have to eat all the costs associated with development or finish production and sell what they have.

I mean, does anyone here think for a single second that Super7 cares if you buy two turtles and never got the other two? Sorry, I can't even make myself wait for your answer; no, they don't care at all. If they can get you to buy these, then they win. They got your money. And if they contractually can't make more, they know you can't even -really- be mad at them for not making the others. It gets to be Mattel's fault and Super7 gets to play the aggrieved party that 'really thought' they'd be able to bring you more figures.


NOT saying that's a foregone conclusion and it's definitely what's going to happen. But them putting these figures up can really go either way here is all.
 
I think what this -could- come down to is; how far along in development were those figures? Super7 isn't known for moving through design and production quickly. Maybe they expected these to be ready much earlier. But if they were far enough in development by the time it was obvious they'd lose the license, then they either have to eat all the costs associated with development or finish production and sell what they have.

I mean, does anyone here think for a single second that Super7 cares if you buy two turtles and never got the other two? Sorry, I can't even make myself wait for your answer; no, they don't care at all. If they can get you to buy these, then they win. They got your money. And if they contractually can't make more, they know you can't even -really- be mad at them for not making the others. It gets to be Mattel's fault and Super7 gets to play the aggrieved party that 'really thought' they'd be able to bring you more figures.


NOT saying that's a foregone conclusion and it's definitely what's going to happen. But them putting these figures up can really go either way here is all.

I wonder what the timeline is for a toy company to cancel production at the factory. I’ve always heard from concept to being available is about 18 months, but it does seem like stuff gets canceled last minute all the time.

I’m going to be more hopeful that there still is a place for NECA and Super7 with TMNT.

I genuinely do think they’re going after a different market (at least than Playmates did).


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Super7 releases ReAction+ figures within a month or two of announcements. That’s how it’s been with GI Joe.
 
I wonder what the timeline is for a toy company to cancel production at the factory. I’ve always heard from concept to being available is about 18 months, but it does seem like stuff gets canceled last minute all the time.
So 18 months is like 'concept to boat' timeline. You gotta keep in mind that the design, sculpting, approvals, and deco process takes -most- of that time. Tooling is like.. a couple weeks to a couple months, depending on complexity/number of the tools and how long it takes to get the tools right (so this process includes running samples to test functionality/fidelity). Actual production can literally take weeks to a couple of months as well, depending on the product complexity (how many parts to assemble, how many paint deco hits, how many color changes for the plastic injection).

That being said, the decision to cancel is a pretty huge one depending on what stage the product is at. If you're at the stage where the product is at the factory at all, you've already hit a significant financial investment just in paying designers, sculptors, etc. So you have to be willing to just say 'okay, we didn't need that 15 grand.' If you've cut tooling, now you're adding tooling costs and you have to be willing to say 'it's okay, we didn't need that 80 grand.'
If you're at a point in production where you've already paid the factory for tooling samples and packaging mock-ups, now you're like 'it's okay, we didn't need that 100 grand.'

At some point, it's more economically responsible to just finish production and sell what you've come up with, even if you know that line isn't going anywhere. It's why you might see a single wave of movie toy product and then never anything else ever again because the movie bombed. They already sunk so much into that product, they HAVE to release it and hope to get some of that money back. It's also why you see things like Mattel releasing WWE fgures of wrestlers that were fired or are literally already appearing on a competitor's program; it's financial murder for WWE to say 'if someone gets fired or leaves, you have to eat the cost of making their figure and never release it.' That's only happened like once at the very beginning with the Jeff Hardy figure and it sucked for Mattel.

Anyway.... I'm still 100% not saying 'Super7 definitely cannot make TMNT product.' So don't take it that way. I'm just saying there's a lot of financial incentive for them to A) Lie about that fact, B) obfuscate that fact, and/or C) release whatever product they can right now and even collect pre-order money for product that will get cancelled.
 
I could be misremembering, but I feel like back when NECA first "lost" the Friday and/or Nightmare licenses, they were actually allowed to still release a couple figures that had already been "in production"? Ringing any bells with anyone else? Obviously, the situation is not perfectly parallel, since no one else was getting those licenses instead at the time.
 
Super7 releases ReAction+ figures within a month or two of announcements. That’s how it’s been with GI Joe.

The new TMNT ones went up Saturday on EE with a June release. They’re not listed any more but I can see them in my order page.


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