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[SDcomics]

Respectfully disagree with you SD. JSA has been rebooted out of necessity.

Gard, the entire DC Universe has been rebooted, what, 4 times? At least. Some might say it was out of necessity. :::cough:::sales:::cough:::

Can’t do that with the Legion. I don’t think the characters are strong enough. Not even close.

Oh, come on now. The Legion has been around since 1958. Their books are still in print. They have fan clubs. I know because I see them every year at SDCC. They have a strong following. This isn't the Inferior Five we're talking about (Although admittedly, I like them too).

And the rumor, for whatever it’s worth, puts Josh Williamson at the helm of a new Legion title coming sometime in 2026. If he sticks with it like he did on Flash, abuse 100 issues, it should be amazing. 18 issues like on Green Arrow will suck.

Well, see, there ya go. Like I said, get the right creative team on the book and it'll be a hit. But that's true of almost any comic. Scott Snyder can write a hell of a Legion book. So could Tom King.

Let me tell you why I love the Legion, and why I love DC just slightly more than I do Marvel (Although I truly do love Marvel). It's the way both companies depict the future.

The future in Marvel is dark, dystopian and ugly. Mutants are branded and sent off to concentration camps. Cities are bombed out and deserted. Sentinels patrol the skies. Graveyards are filled with the tombstones of heroes. That means that everything the Avengers, X-Men and Fantastic Four fought for was for nothing. They died for nothing. Evil triumphed over good. Damn, that gets depressing after awhile.

The future of the DC Universe is utopian. It's bright and optimistic. Science triumphed over superstition. Disease, war, racism, these are all things of the past. The Legion of Super-Heroes protects the universe. That means that the Justice League and Justice Society succeeded in their quest to make the world a better place.

It all springs from Action Comics number 1 back in June of 1938. That's where it all started. A strange visitor from another planet thoght he could make a difference. And he did.

So yes, now that DC has brought back the JSA, I'm waiting patiently for the Legion. It's just a matter of ... time.

 

[SDcomics]

Legion reboots tend to alter details about the entire setting and massively overhaul the team, which already has like 70 thousand members.

That's ... a bit of an exaggeration, I think. Besides, have you taken a look at Justice League lately? Heh, excuse me, I mean Justice League Unlimited? Nearly everyone in the DC Universe is a member now, including Ambush Bug.

It's like, do you have any idea how impenetrable getting into actual X-Men comics is if you haven't been reading them since 1975? Imagine that, but also you don't have an audience's basic awareness of who all of the major ones are.

Yeah, except last I looked, the X-Men are still around and still selling. As far as basic awareness of who the characters are, there's this thing called Google. All anyone has to do to find out about a character is get their phone out of their pocket and look it up.

Look, I get that you guys don't care for the Legion. I get it. Me personally, I don't get Harley Quinn. But there are folks out there that do and I can't deny the fact that she's popular. I see girls cosplay as her all the time.

The Legion as a concept is as strong as ever. Especially in these days when we could all use a little hope.

 

[secondwhiteline]

That's ... a bit of an exaggeration, I think. Besides, have you taken a look at Justice League lately? Heh, excuse me, I mean Justice League Unlimited? Nearly everyone in the DC Universe is a member now, including Ambush Bug.



Yeah, except last I looked, the X-Men are still around and still selling. As far as basic awareness of who the characters are, there's this thing called Google. All anyone has to do to find out about a character is get their phone out of their pocket and look it up.

Look, I get that you guys don't care for the Legion. I get it. Me personally, I don't get Harley Quinn. But there are folks out there that do and I can't deny the fact that she's popular. I see girls cosplay as her all the time.

The Legion as a concept is as strong as ever. Especially in these days when we could all use a little hope.

The comic where everyone is in the Justice League, much like the cartoon that was on for years where everyone was in the Justice League? Yes, but even if I hadn't, I wouldn't have found that much of a barrier to entry. "Oh, I guess we can call on Green Arrow in the unlikely event we need arrows" isn't much of a conceptual challenge when most of the book's still going to be about Batman or whatever. It's also helpful that most of them are characters everyone knows. No one really cares about The Atom but we know he shrinks. (And honestly, a lot of that book's pretty incoherent even then. It's all very "[CHARACTER 1]! Get [CHARACTER 2] here! Only their [STUPID POWER] can resolve this crisis in [NATION THE UNITED STATES HAS ALREADY DEVASTATED WITH COLONIALISM AND SANCTIONS]!" It reads a lot like a bad Legion book, actually, except you don't have to learn any planet names.)

No one wants to do homework before they can get into something. I never said whether or not I cared for the Legion. I've read enough of it to know they have some great material in their catalog and I expressed a preference in this thread for a Princess Projectra figure, provided she have the ability to snap Nemesis Kid's neck and tell that twerp Element Lad where to stick it. "You can Google this" is kind of a disingenuous answer to the challenge of learning about something as convoluted as the Legion, and would still be even if there was a really obvious place to start. "You can Google the Legion" sounds great but falls apart immediately as soon as someone asks, "...but which Legion?"

"The X-Men are still around and still selling" - while X-Men have had status quo changes, many of them massive and even more of them stupid, they haven't really had the kind of continuity-shattering reboots that the Legion has had where you're made to follow a legitimately different team. If you like Storm, you've got 50 years of stories about the same exact Storm to read. And also, they've had endless mass media projects for three decades that this point. Legion doesn't have that benefit, and the X-Men don't ask you to care about any characters with "Lad" in their name.

 

[Atomic Knight]

Mike I love the Legion. I just don’t like the mess it’s become after Paul Levitz left in 1989. We’re lucky the LSH survived after Bendis’ catastrophe. I'm very hopeful for the Williamson Legion and will be at the LCS on the day the first issue hits. But I’m going to be realistic. If you can bring Superman and Supergirl in close, there’s a much better long term chance of success. Which means you at least use at least a semblance of the Levitz team.