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I never understood the punk scene or glam hair rock or what have you. Outside of maybe Squeeze and Crowded House. I was mostly into folk rock and alternative bands like Green Day , Michael Penn, Garbage or REM. These days I mostly listen to groups like Halestorm, Breaking Benjamin and Seether but as I said, I’ve swung back around to the bands I listened to when I was in high school


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Sounds right. I only remember that cassette at the bus stop and they did Carnage Rules for Maximum Carnage in SNES and Genesis, but I don't even know the order of operations on that one.

Love the Lemonheads and Velocity Girl. I had the Butthole Surfers album ElectricLarryLand from Columbia House, and it was surprisingly diverse past Pepper. The TV Star song is so catchy.
 
If I remember, Green Jelly was kind of a...weirdness punk band with some Tool guys in it pre-Tool? I feel like all their album covers had that very grody slimy style like a pre-Johnny Ryan kind of alt comix look. Very Maxx or that Beavis and Butt-Head Do America desert sequence, just that whole Liquid Television thing. Occasionally you'd see them mentioned alongside grunge bands because it was the 90s and that's just what you did with any rock VH1 wouldn't play.

That freakout abrasive humor stuff isn't my thing, although I kinda like the Butthole Surfers. My 90s grunge-adjacent stuff is more the punk that had country influences in it, like Dead Moon and the Meat Puppets. Or straight up power-pop that got associated with grunge because it was the 90s, like the Lemonheads and Velocity Girl. God, Velocity Girl is so good.
They were a very unserious band, or at least that's the vibe they gave off. They poke fun at themselves at the end of their "Three Little Pigs" video, which my daughter absolutely loved when she was 3 even though she didn't understand the jokes.
 
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Squeeze is multifaceted and they usually get thrown in with the new wave scene because it's easiest and sanest - I've seen them described as a kind of weird missing link between power-pop and post-punk, and that shouldn't work but it kind of does? - although their most popular songs feel like they're pretty much sophisti-pop and I think that's not a bad place for them in general. Kind of like how you'd call the Replacements alt-rock even though they have hardcore albums and country songs and power-pop tracks in their catalog. Do you look at the full catalog or the version of them that's most definitive to people, you know?

The Finns' previous band Split Enz is definitively new wave but Crowded House has a sound built on such foundational pop and rock songwriting principles that people just throw up their hands and say, "Whatever, it's pop rock," which is probably fine even when they get weirder. I think of them as pretty timeless, like a band that would just be fine existing in any era with only modest changes.
 
Lol... but TSI's commentbyou quoted was specifially about Sandwich saying he wasn't into punk and preferred bands like Green Day when Green Day is definitely considered Punk
 
Not by people who love punk music!

I mean... They were definitely Punk when they started... they moved Pop Punk later... and I get it, hit records is the least 'punk rock' thing ever, so selling out to get rich compromises their body of work retroactively
 
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I mean... They were definitely Punk when they started... they moved Pop Punk later... and I get it, hit records is the least 'punk rock' thing ever, so selling out to get rich compromises their body of work retroactively
Honestly, I remember a big point of contention among punks being when they took back the master rights to the first two albums from Lookout, but they weren't exactly the first band to do that and a lot of that seems like it was very much Lookout's fault. Like, no one blamed Op Ivy for doing it. Losing Green Day was just the biggest hit to the label.
 
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Not by people who love punk music!
I love punk music and I absolutely consider Green Day punk. Punk as a genre is kind of like Alternative, Rock or Hip-Hop, meaning it contains multitudes of different sounds and styles. I feel like even in a more strict sense of what people consider punk, Green Day's first 3 albums are squarely in that criteria. If they aren't punk then neither are NOFX or Bracket or Bad Religion or Lagwagon or Tilt. Not every punk band has to be The Exploited, Subhumans, Circle Jerks or Propaghandhi or what have you, sometimes punk is The Queers or The Vandals or Wizo. Sometimes punk is Green Day.
 
Not by people who love punk music!
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Hold on. I need to music nerd for a bit.

Squeeze is multifaceted and they usually get thrown in with the new wave scene because it's easiest and sanest - I've seen them described as a kind of weird missing link between power-pop and post-punk, and that shouldn't work but it kind of does? - although their most popular songs feel like they're pretty much sophisti-pop and I think that's not a bad place for them in general. Kind of like how you'd call the Replacements alt-rock even though they have hardcore albums and country songs and power-pop tracks in their catalog. Do you look at the full catalog or the version of them that's most definitive to people, you know?

The Finns' previous band Split Enz is definitively new wave but Crowded House has a sound built on such foundational pop and rock songwriting principles that people just throw up their hands and say, "Whatever, it's pop rock," which is probably fine even when they get weirder. I think of them as pretty timeless, like a band that would just be fine existing in any era with only modest changes.
ALL great stuff.
 
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