Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies and Streaming Series Discussion

Another point against the "and now for the REAL version" thing is that's probably what they were going to do, at least to an extent, with Kang. Dealing with his Malibu Stacy variants one by one until they get to the "real" one. You can't really do that with Doom, though. Doom is Doom- there can be only one, and the more of him there are, the less intimidating the "real" one becomes. I'm choosing to remain cautiously optimistic, and I'm fully aware that I may need to relent a little in my expectations, but I'm not holding my breath.

Side note- saying "Doom" over and over makes me realize how fun it is to say.

 
joshsquash729 said:
Another point against the "and now for the REAL version" thing is that's probably what they were going to do, at least to an extent, with Kang.
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Which really highlights what a misstep Quantumania was. Of all the possible Kang variants, you choose to use the actual Kang and he gets defeated by just 2-ish Avengers? And it's Ant-Man. Way to sell us on the threat. I still stand by my wish that they'd just recast Kang when they dropped John Majors and kept to their original plan, but I can only hope they had a plan to redeem Kang's showing in Quantumania.
 
Yeah there was a VERY easy out to replace Majors and be like “that was *close* to the real Kang” so they could have kept the costume since they finally got a comic villain looking awesome FOR ONCE but the “real” Kang is like John Boyega or Aldis Hodge.
 
I would have been very cool if they'd replaced Majors, but maybe after having thousands of him in the credit scene Feige just sighed and said nevermind.
 
What if one of the unannounced movies is a Doom movie? Shooting along with Doomsday and SW, and it's designed to come out between or after? That would be fun - a movie starring a villain. Could even call it Iron Mask.

I thought the way Endgame handled Thanos was genius. Our heroes defeat the galaxy-murdering villain at the top of the film. Small-scale, quiet, done. That they then get to fight him again is a clever way to structure a movie, and his "I am inevitable" holds actual weight. And I like that his veneer of civility is ruined when he finds a shortcut to absolute power - he doesn't need the show, he just wants to murder.

It's like Twilight Breaking Dawn Part 2 - this movie had one of the BEST fakeouts in cinema when they changed the talk-it-out ending of the book to include a massive bloody fight scene. And then walked it back without betraying the audience or story but getting all the great trailer moments and audience reactions to losing their favorite characters. They had me until about a minute before they played the last card.
 
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So, I have this theory ...

Oh, shutup. I haven't said shit yet.

So I have this theory. It's probably wrong, but it's a theory. It ties into a lot. We're going all the way back to the beginning with this one. I'm not going to detail the whole thing out because I tend to get too long winded and I know that can be annoying. But here's the bare bones readers digest version.

In the comics, the first guy to invent a time machine was Doctor Doom. In the movies it was ... Tony Stark.

I don't think Tony, Steve and Natasha are dead. Not dead dead. The book is not closed on them. For starters, we have seen at least four different versions of the afterlife in the MCU. The Astral Plane (Dr. Strange), the Ancestral Plane (Black Panther), Valhalla (Thor) and the Field of Reeds (Moon Knight). The concept of life after death in the MCU appears to be multifaceted and influenced by various beliefs. The point is, there's an afterlife.

There's one other way you can live on after your body dies in the MCU. Cyber space. Armin Zola did that in the Winter Soldier. Remember that? He downloaded his consciousness into a bank of computers using 1960's tech. And ... I think Howard Stark did the same thing for his old friend and butler, Jarvis. As Jarvis lay dying of old age, Howard downloaded his essence into a computer. Jarvis then became the AI that ran Tony's house and armor. Now, If Armin and Howard could do that decades ago, why couldn't Tony Stark do it now? Remember Tony's death scene in Endgame? The last three people to touch him before he died were Peter, Rhodey and Pepper and they all wearing Stark built armor. I think when Pepper had her hand on Tony's chest, he downloaded his consciousness into her armor. He exists there just like Jarvis did. We have not seen hide nor hair of Pepper or Morgan since then.

There is precedence for this in the comics. At the end of Civil War 2, tony died. But he came back as AI.

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If my theory is correct, this was brilliant of Marvel Studios. They can bring back Tony if they want to. And it looks like they want to.

I think after Secret Wars, we're going to get the MCU 2.0. A new Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Natasha Romanoff, Thor, Nick Fury, Black Panther and pretty much everybody. The X-Men will join the mix. Loki and the Fantastic Four will stay the same, and they'll be the only ones who remember what came before.

And yes, there will be a new Doctor Doom. A Doctor Victor Von Doom who keeps his face covered by metal. A Doctor Doom who invented a time machine. A Doctor Doom who is the ruler of Latveria. And a Doctor Doom who is the sworn enemy of Reed Richards and Tony Stark. Doom can be the big bad who can play out across multiple movies much the same way Loki did.

There's a lot more to my theory than that, but I'll spare you. If I'm right, the Marvel Studios brain trust will have a brand new universe to play with. They can sit down and really map things out.

And like always, if you hate my ideas, don't sweat it. I'm probably wrong.
 
@SDcomics I love that theory simply because it would allow all the teams I know and love to exist together. Recast them all, I don't care. I just want to be able to see the X-Men, Avengers, and Fantastic Four together from this point forward, if the plot calls for it.
 
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Justice said:
Recast them all, I don't care.
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This. They’ve got pretty much all the characters comfortably in the stable now (Sony issues notwithstanding), so it really is time to just hit a hard or soft reboot that resets the “world” so everyone can just exist together without ongoing multiverse shenanigans.
 
AceofKnaves said:
This. They’ve got pretty much all the characters comfortably in the stable now (Sony issues notwithstanding), so it really is time to just hit a hard or soft reboot that resets the “world” so everyone can just exist together without ongoing multiverse shenanigans.
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I'd love to see it done more faithfully to the original source material this time around also. I want to see Hawkeye and Mockingbird together. Hank and Jan helping start the Avengers. I could go on forever but I'll stop there.
 
Justice said:
@SDcomics I love that theory simply because it would allow all the teams I know and love to exist together. Recast them all, I don't care. I just want to be able to see the X-Men, Avengers, and Fantastic Four together from this point forward, if the plot calls for it.
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This is where I'm at. I think they're always going to suffer now from having blown through the main Avengers and the main X-Men, and some of the other big name heroes and many of the big name villains. They're gone. It's basically impossible now for us to get Wolverine serving with Cap in WWII, or scientist Ant-Man creating Ultron. Or all kinds of other crossover things many of us would desperately love to see but just would no longer be possible, or wouldn't make a lot of sense, or whatever, in the current MCU.

Let it end, and build something new now. Now we know it can be done. Now Disney has access to more characters than ever before AND understand how popular it will be to play with ALL the toys at once. Stop being afraid and just do it.

That being said, I mean... I would still very much lament any loss of Bernthal Punisher or Reynolds Deadpool. Or most of the cast, really. I've said before - the MCU has an amazing cast overall. It's just too disjointed from the comic storylines/timeline. I want Punisher to be able to say 'you boys want a role model? His name is Captain America and he'd be happy to have you.' I want a shared universe from the very beginning where characters can reference each other and aren't slowly added in over time. Maybe one day.

Honestly, I'd be okay with it running concurrent with the current MCU - but I recognize for most audiences that would be insanely confusing and probably damaging to the Marvel brand overall.
 
I think there is little chance it all doesn't end with some weird sci-fi or magic "melding of 3 universes". Effectively fusing them into one; as if they were always one but also separate. There will be a select few (maybe one) that are aware. My vote is adult Franklin does it and only Reed knows.
 
Ru1977 said:
Well, DC was trying to... oh, right.
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You know.... it wasn't a bad idea if they just had better direction and better writers and better ... everything. There's literally no reason we can't have Battinson movies that are entirely separate from a Batman/Superman JL team-up. In fact, I -believe- The Batman still takes place in a separate universe from the new Superman, right?
 
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