Infinite Legions from Four Horsemen

I wish 4H would do more of this kind of stuff.

I have no familiarity with this because I'm not an actual-play girlie. Might cop anyway.
docsilence said:
(I'm not a fan of the character, a little too edgelord for me, but Joe also had a line of minis made of characters from his home campaign, and while a lot of them are pretty over the top edgelord designs, they WOULD make for pretty sexy action figures.
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I'm sorry to tell you that my next D&D character was inspired by the incomparable Hugo Ledbetter.
 
TheSameIdiot said:
I wish 4H would do more of this kind of stuff.

I have no familiarity with this because I'm not an actual-play girlie. Might cop anyway.

I'm sorry to tell you that my next D&D character was inspired by the incomparable Hugo Ledbetter.
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I thought you were going to go with Kalatuur MinMax.
(I usually don't go for this sort of thing but naming a seagull familiar Christopher Squawkin is objectively funny in the dumbest way possible.)
 
Nothing against Manganiello, who seems like a cool dude, but I agree with the edgelord comments. This design is a little more cartoony than the rest of the Legions. It feels like it belongs with the Realms of the Blacktide line 4H was hired to sculpt. It has too many skulls, too many spikes, too many sharp edges; it's on the threshold of being an uncomfortably busy design. The roaring head is fun, but the snarling head feels a bit cheesy to me.
 
Funny; to me it just looks like every other Mythic Legions figure. They're all overdesigned like crazy, and all the 'bad guy' ones have stupid fucking spikes and goofy nonsense sticking off them in every direction. If this figure was revealed as part of the newest wave, I imagine no one would bat an eye.
But I still like it. Obviously the providence of the figure matters to me, because it represents more than just 'an armored dragon guy.' I'm sure that helps. I kind of like that it just screams 'D&D character.' Could have been drawn by Larry Elmore his very self.
 
docsilence said:
I would LOVE to know the deal he worked out with Hasbro/WOTC though cos he sseems to be able to do whatever TF he wants with the character
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I don't know why he wouldn't be able to. Aside from his appearances in other D&D media, I don't think anything about the character replicated elsewhere is owned by them. Like, they don't own the name or the concept of evil dragon-people. The only bits they can claim are specific locations and characters that are part of his backstory. Hell, they don't even own the name "Tiamat" only a specific instantiation of that character. He didn't create the character while under contract to WotC. He created it for a home game ages ago.

A figure of some dude's D&D character, unless it's replicating text or art from the books, or referring to trademarked/copyrighted stuff, they can't claim it. No different than if I wrote a novel about Itch and simply washed the text of specific D&D spells.
 
JakeEkiss said:
I don't know why he wouldn't be able to. Aside from his appearances in other D&D media, I don't think anything about the character replicated elsewhere is owned by them. Like, they don't own the name or the concept of evil dragon-people. The only bits they can claim are specific locations and characters that are part of his backstory. Hell, they don't even own the name "Tiamat" only a specific instantiation of that character. He didn't create the character while under contract to WotC. He created it for a home game ages ago.

A figure of some dude's D&D character, unless it's replicating text or art from the books, or referring to trademarked/copyrighted stuff, they can't claim it. No different than if I wrote a novel about Itch and simply washed the text of specific D&D spells.
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I more mean his character literally has a stat block in official D&D content. At least any time I've done creative work where someone was using a character I created, making sure you don't get absolutely fucked for future use of the character is a minefield. The first thing I do when I'm doing work for hire is make sure I'm not giving away future use of the character for products I might not be hired on to work on. And the WOTC open license is interesting because a LOOOOOT of it is basically the gaming equivalent of open source but then they get tetchy about stuff like "owlbear," "Vecna" (would also love to know what kind of deal they have worked out with Netflix/the Duffer Brothers!), etc.

And it's different in his case than, say, how some of the Critical Role characters have stat blocks, because WOTC licensed that stuff from THEM to sell, and those books aren't actually produced directly by WOTC. Joe's dragon man is canonically in Avernus wearing the hand of Vecna chilling with Tiamat and my licensing and copyright brain just wants to know what the paperwork looks like and who's paying who.

It's such a weird can of worms. Like I had to be careful using the term "superhero" when I first started out because Marvel and DC had somehow, through QUESTIONABLE legality, trademarked the word together so nobody but them could use it officially. That's gone away now but for a while it was obnoxious.
 
docsilence said:
Joe's dragon man is canonically in Avernus wearing the hand of Vecna chilling with Tiamat and my licensing and copyright brain just wants to know what the paperwork looks like and who's paying who.
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I'd be willing to bet it's a bit more handshake than we'd be inclined to think, where Joe retains all rights to his character, but also WOTC -doesn't- pay him to put the character in a book. One of those 'you're a fan, how would you like to have your character be in an official product?!' kind of things. They get the PR associated with his name, and he gets to see an official D&D stat block for his character. Win-win. I guess.
 
Damien said:
I'd be willing to bet it's a bit more handshake than we'd be inclined to think, where Joe retains all rights to his character, but also WOTC -doesn't- pay him to put the character in a book. One of those 'you're a fan, how would you like to have your character be in an official product?!' kind of things. They get the PR associated with his name, and he gets to see an official D&D stat block for his character. Win-win. I guess.
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Yep. This is why it's got my (TM)/(C) brain going. Marvel and DC are notoriously litigious about it but D&D aside from a handful of Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms characters (okay, Ravenloft too) really don't get traction on character licensing so it's a much smaller issue for them. Also I think Joe is a pretty smart businessman and wouldn't sign away his own personal lifelong self-insert character willy nilly.

It's really different every time. Like I had to do a lot of due diligence before letting one of my Indestructibles side characters appear in an anthology I contributed to because I didn't want to stumble into a C&D five years later.

And all this to say I love that someone in Joe's position has been able to create a character and brand him to himself rather than tying him to a massive IP. It doesn't happen often and creatively it's pretty rad.
 
Yeah I assumed Joe wouldn't sign away the rights, and that's the only way they'd be able to stop him doing anything later. Like, D&D has had it's share of troubles in yesteryear for making statblocks for characters they didn't own. They would have to con Joe into giving it away and it never occurred to me he'd do that. So long as he's just using the stuff he made in other mediums, I can't see why they'd lay claim to anything he didn't explicitly give them.
 
Unless you are a connoisseur, one can only take so many dragon man figures. This one isn't perfect, so no thanks. Pretty cool though, but I am nearing my limit on dragon men thank you very much. Now, Koi men, that IS an unexplored avenue...
 
Darkmoon766 said:
Unless you are a connoisseur, one can only take so many dragon man figures. This one isn't perfect, so no thanks. Pretty cool though, but I am nearing my limit on dragon men thank you very much. Now, Koi men, that IS an unexplored avenue...
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I'm bringing dragon man and koi man into the Asian community to reinvigorate Alphas and Soft Bois.
 
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