Harvinger Studios, Savage Crucible

Who Man has some obvious Man At Arms armor to me, which is pretty cool because wasn't there an expansion head that worked for it?
 
altcunningham said:
Who Man has some obvious Man At Arms armor to me, which is pretty cool because wasn't there an expansion head that worked for it?
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Yup. I posted a picture of Who-Man with the MAA head and helmet options (and an old 4H mace) earlier in this thread.
To be fair, it comes out as a naked, golden-armored MAA rather than a green-suited, orange-armored MAA, which is how the 4H would have done it. And it requires an accessory pack in addition to the Who-Man figure.
 
I don't really care about homage figures one way or another. I'm sure I initially picked up on the lizardman having Battle Cat elements, but frankly, he just immediately became a cool lizardman to me. I have a few of the Mythic Legions MOTU homage figures, but I just use them as non-MOTU characters. The Skeletor homage skeleton is just a blue skeleton for me. I just generally go...oh that's neat...when they are revealed and don't get them or use some differently. With the same reasoning, I don't care about homages in Savage Crucible either. I don't need to build He-Man or Man-at-Arms figures.
 
I actually do care about IP theft both for all kinds of first-hand reasons, but that's a totally different thread. Relevant here though, Who-Man appealed to me least of all the figures in this line BECAUSE he was an homage, though I did order one this weekend to hopefully pop a different head onto because FOMO kicked in watching the other human warriors sell out. (That and I saw some incredible pics of him on Instagram, wanted to have one lizard, one werewolf-whatever, and one human in the collection). I loved 4H's first four or five homages (they really were what caught my eye for the line, and honestly, isn't that WHY you commit IP infringement? For the attention?) but I haven't really even liked, let alone been excited for, one of their homages since probably the Evil-Lyn one or Panthor, whichever was most recent.

I actually wonder if homage-fatigue is setting in, too, because Who-Man was the only human I could find in stock anywhere.

Lately the least interesting stuff indie companies are doing in my opinion are homages. Show us what you really got, man. Nin is fucking amazing, Jaeger is so much fun, and on the 4H side, those tiny lil guys are the most interesting change of pace they've done in years. But also our world does not reward originality when you can hook someone with fan art, it's just the state of things. A guy selling Deadpool prints will outsell an original artist in artist alley 100 to 1 every single time.

(The only outlier when I like an homage is for a figure I don't think we'll ever get. I wish I got that fantastic Cyberpunk Edgerunners third-party homage, but Jada's doing an official one anyways so no great loss.)
 
If it helps, Jessica is a fanfic reconstruction of Rebecca and Smasher, so she's meant to be bigger and out of scale because it's not Rebecca Proper. They say.
 
Ashtalon said:
I don't need to build He-Man or Man-at-Arms figures.
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Me neither. I think you're more on the right track with the 'oh, that's neat' reaction. I think that's what companies should be going for with these homage pieces. Do something that makes people go 'oooh, I see what you did there' but without it being an overwhelming 'that's what this exists for.' SC, so far, has managed the former, while the 4H just do the latter.


That Barbarian exclusive looks cool, but barring some drastically cool new parts, I think I'm good now on guys without pants. At least for a while.


docsilence said:
I actually do care about IP theft both for all kinds of first-hand reasons
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Without making it a whole thread; I recognize this is a twisty conversation and I recognize the relevance and importance of IP in our modern world, but I just have a problem with the way it's handled - largely by huge corporations that can just control everything all at once, and usually WAY beyond the death of the creators and even their children.


docsilence said:
one of their homages since probably the Evil-Lyn one or Panthor, whichever was most recent.
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The fact that you can't even remember which one was the most recent kind of says a lot.


docsilence said:
I actually wonder if homage-fatigue is setting in, too, because Who-Man was the only human I could find in stock anywhere.
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I think there's a lot of elements to it. Krieger appeals more to people that just want a fantasy viking-barbarian guy. Who-Man has a lot more of a specific look to him that it's hard to re-use. By that I mean; what I'm seeing is that most SC collectors seem to have a Who-Man, so he's selling. But most collectors also seem to have more than one Krieger.
 
Damien said:
The fact that you can't even remember which one was the most recent kind of says a lot.
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I mean, I can remember who they've done. The fact that we order their stuff three years before it arrives is why I can't remember of take Man-E-Faces came before fake Whiplash.

But honestly, I can't get TOO pissed at 4H because everyone is doing it. Like, I just used the phrase "I really like Not-Destro/Not-Firefly" a few hours ago talking about Big Bad Workshop / Monkey Friction. Eagle Force and Valaverse and xyz all have blatantly identifiable homages. And take a wander through artist alley at any comic con. Big corporate IPs sell. Hilariously, for a while artists were reporting EACH OTHER on Tee Fury and sites like that who were using the same IP they were. Savage Crucible is a lesser offender for sure though, but it's almost table stakes at this point to do homage figures if you want a line to thrive.
Damien said:
Without making it a whole thread; I recognize this is a twisty conversation and I recognize the relevance and importance of IP in our modern world, but I just have a problem with the way it's handled - largely by huge corporations that can just control everything all at once, and usually WAY beyond the death of the creators and even their children.
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Yeah, I don't want to get into it deeply here, but t's been twisted into a thing it doesn't need to be. Trust me, an author or artist never WANTS to sue someone for stealing their IP, but in the eyes of the US law if you don't defend it you lose it. And if we lived in the world where we didn't have gorillas of enterprise squatting in IPs they didn't create for decades after the death of the creator, it might be better. But it's not, and that's why the authors of literally seven million books just took Anthropic to court. It just fucking sucks. Blame Disney, cos it's not ALL their fault but it's A LOT their fault...

(As I'm typing this I just got a notification from one of the sites I've sold tee shirts with art of my characters on warning all creators that Trump's people are going after anyone using the Trump company icon so anyone doing parody work should pull their work down. That's not what it exists for, parody should be covered, but hey, we live in hell.)

All that being said, I DID just by Who-Man a few days ago. And one of the Lemurians who looks like hte Dragonborn I'm playing in a monthly campaign because... he looks like my dragonborn, so gimme. And I'm greedily eyeballing figures from Big Bad who could fit in with other IPs. Homages do bring in the bucks.
 
docsilence said:
But honestly, I can't get TOO pissed at 4H because everyone is doing it.
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For me it's a multi-faceted complaint. But it comes down a lot to frequency and how boldly they do it. The more subtle hints at other stuff? Toss tons of those in. To me, that's super fun -- just nods to other properties. But basically remaking entire characters? Okay.. sure, once in a while. Eventually, I feel, it just becomes a matter of how much is too much. BigBad does a Firefly? Sure. BigBad does the entire '87 ARAH line-up? That's.... at best... creatively bankrupt, let's say.
And with the 4H, they're supposed to be these super creative Artists with a capital A, but all they can think of to do is keep going back to the MOTU well where they earned all their fame. Feels lame.
Also worth noting that there's a lot of nostalgia-bait 'homage' figures out there that are for properties not currently getting several different ongoing toylines. I don't really have any problem at all with someone remaking new versions of Battle Beasts, because it's not like Hasbro is going to do it, apparently (although they fucking should).



docsilence said:
Yeah, I don't want to get into it deeply here, but t's been twisted into a thing it doesn't need to be. Trust me, an author or artist never WANTS to sue someone for stealing their IP, but in the eyes of the US law if you don't defend it you lose it. And if we lived in the world where we didn't have gorillas of enterprise squatting in IPs they didn't create for decades after the death of the creator, it might be better. But it's not, and that's why the authors of literally seven million books just took Anthropic to court. It just fucking sucks. Blame Disney, cos it's not ALL their fault but it's A LOT their fault...
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That's sort've what I'm talking about when I say I don't care about IP. It's more in the sense that I don't care if, say, some Chinese toy company wants to make an unlicensed Batman figure. Couldn't fucking care less. You'll never see me crying about 'poor WB's IP rights.'
 
Got the notice for the Blackstone Conan going up tomorrow. Maybe it's for the VIP list only?

Anyway, I post it here mainly because it is where @Damien is found and I want to know why the special edition version includes a six shooter.
 
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