General Marvel Legends

fac said:
Captain Marvel, Black Widow - I have them at the same level as Black Panther, Ant Man or Hawkeye as high level supporting characters that make great guest stars in other books or on teams.
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Black Panther... a supporting character that guest stars? True in the 80's and early 90's but hardly accurate now.

The only solo led supero hero movie to earn more than Black Panther was Spider-Man, No Way Home.

Black Panther out earned every Batman, Superman or Iron Man movie... even adjusted for inflation.

Black Panther has been the leader of the Avengers multuple times over the last 10 years. He's consistently had a solo book in publication for the last 30 years, and on a couple of occasions more than one.

If you stopped paying attention in the 90's then sure, Black Panther is a supporting character. But in this modern era it simply isn't true.
 
Up until the last 20 years, name recognition for DC characters to a general populace would be WAY ahead: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Robin, Supergirl, Batgirl, Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman, Lex Luthor, Aquaman, and Lois Lane would be the easy ones, with Flash, Brainiac, Mr. Freeze, Green Lantern, Captain Marvel (or "Shazam!"), and possibly Bizarro and "Kneel Before" Zod on the lower tier of "yeah, that rings a bell". All thanks to years of movies, TV shows, and cartoons of course.

If you asked anyone who didn't read comics about Marvel, they'd likely say Spider-Man, Captain America, Hulk... very outside chance maaaaybe Human Torch? X-Men wouldn't even be a thing until Hugh Jackman and even then, given the fluctuating rosters of the films, not sure most people could nail down many character names. Since then of course, you'd get a lot higher penetration of Marvel names into the collective consciousness, especially as demographics shift with younger generations having superheroes more in the forefront. It's pretty cool that a lot of regular folks would know who Iron Man, Black Panther, Widow or Ant-Man are now, much less have an opinion on them.
 
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altcunningham said:
Respectfully disagree. I know a lot of 20 somethings that love him.

He's not human looking. That's all the rage.

Arguably a furry.

He's got a great personality.

Anyone that touches the comics or 97 in my circles loves him. Also usually the first action figure they hover over.

A cool design is a cool design.

Anyway regarding the challenge, were there any standouts to you that held up the rule?
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TBF she was speaking generally, characters always have their fans in any generation, but as somebody who used to sell art at shows, the Nightcrawlers did tend to go to folks closer to my age. Young folks might like him, but they are often (not always) more into other stuff that they grew up with or evergreen characters (people will always want a Spider-Man or Wolverine forever).

As far as the style goes, she was pretty good overall. Usually within 5 years of the person's age. I think I largely got away with mine because my artistic reference points are a little weird. The biggest influences on my work are folks like Brian Stelfreeze and Cully Hamner and to a lesser degree the other former Gaijin Studios folks mixed with animation influences that are anime, but that don't pick up some of the telltale signs of anime influence (faces and hair). So like, heavy focus on line over hatching, spotted blacks, high saturation color, but not as many line holds as a lot of modern stuff.
 
I think people fucking love Nightcrawler. He finished 19th in that Reddit poll I shared yesterday, above objectively more important/exposed characters like Hawkeye, Hank Pym, Wasp, Punisher, Scarlet Witch, and Vision. I'd say that Reddit community has an Avengers skew, too.

On the X-Men community poll, he did similarly well. He finished fourth, above JEAN, Rogue, Kitty, Emma, Iceman, and Beast.

https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/1mchjgz/50_best_xmen_members_final_day_sorry_for_posting
 
JakeEkiss said:
I think I largely got away with mine because my artistic reference points are a little weird. The biggest influences on my work are folks like Brian Stelfreeze and Cully Hamner and to a lesser degree the other former Gaijin Studios folks mixed with animation influences that are anime, but that don't pick up some of the telltale signs of anime influence (faces and hair). So like, heavy focus on line over hatching, spotted blacks, high saturation color, but not as many line holds as a lot of modern stuff.
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You should post your stuff in our art thread.

By the way, artists, I still need someone to design the AT logo. I've been on the other side enough to know I'm a relatively easy client.
 
There must be quite the chasm between the X-Men community that was polled and action figure collectors if Psylocke is No. 17 on that list.
 
JakeEkiss said:
TBF she was speaking generally, characters always have their fans in any generation, but as somebody who used to sell art at shows, the Nightcrawlers did tend to go to folks closer to my age. Young folks might like him, but they are often (not always) more into other stuff that they grew up with or evergreen characters (people will always want a Spider-Man or Wolverine forever).

As far as the style goes, she was pretty good overall. Usually within 5 years of the person's age. I think I largely got away with mine because my artistic reference points are a little weird. The biggest influences on my work are folks like Brian Stelfreeze and Cully Hamner and to a lesser degree the other former Gaijin Studios folks mixed with animation influences that are anime, but that don't pick up some of the telltale signs of anime influence (faces and hair). So like, heavy focus on line over hatching, spotted blacks, high saturation color, but not as many line holds as a lot of modern stuff.
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I'm the same way. It was Madureira and Bachalo and early Silvestri that I always liked, but over the years I gravitated to Phil Noto, Amanda Conner, and Jim Mahfood as touchstones to experiment and find myself. I'm like an art vampire, I'm always finding someone new and pulling one specific thing I'd like to refine or experiment with for myself.

Makes artist alley expensive.

I'll have to hunt the thread down.
 
I think kids these days (based on my daughters and their friends) skew heavily to Spider-Man Spiderverse and Avengers. Like characters on the kids Disney+ shows. X-Men and Fantastic Four haven’t had much of a push towards younger generations since the 90s.

My list:

Spider-Man (toss up between Peter and Miles)
Iron Man
Captain America
Black Panther
Deadpool
Captain Marvel
Black Widow
Hulk
Spider-Gwen
Thor

My wife’s initial thoughts:

Iron Man
Spider-Man
Captain America
Black Widow
Scarlet Witch


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altcunningham said:
My big wake up call with kids is most of them these days didn't actually grow up with the MCU and don't have interest. Once you start thinking about how that works, you're faced with the ravages of time, so I advise you not to do it.
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Heheheh as someone who was 30 when the first Iron Man dropped, I feel this.

On the other hand, I do love hearing younger folks’ “take” on those “older movies”. Although I do get some satisfaction that many of them who have seen them think Tony Stark is a total douche. Comes up with my younger clients at work all the time, like “ugh, so-and-so is a total narcissist like that Iron Man guy who hangs out with Elon Musk.” Gives me such a chuckle,
 
I asked my 8 year old and 6 year old:

8 year old:
Iron man
Wasp
Thor
Hawkeye
Hulk
Captain America
Black widow
Ant-Man
Captain Marvel
Vision

6 year old:
Iron Man
Spider-Man
Spider-Gwen
Miles
Thor


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