Four Horsemen Studios Mythic Legions

I'll eventually start a customizing for dummies thread in the Customizer's Workshop subforum (yes, we have one of those). In the meantime, how should a weathered set of armor look? I guess this is a question for @Damien in particular. Dark Souls is known for its grit and grime. The armor sets are tarnished (pun intended), the swords are twisted, rusted, or brutish, and the characters and enemies live in a place best described as hell. Should I start with a silver dry brush? Or try a brown wash? I don't want to go full Toy Biz, but I also want to make it clear that this dude has seen better days.
I'm late so there's already lots of good suggestions. When I need help, I always look for Duncan Rhodes on YT. His current channel is Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy, I think. He used to be the main on-screen personality for the official Warhammer channel for all the painting videos. He is not only an incredibly talented guy, but he's very good at the actual 'teaching you how to do it' part without it being a 45 minute video. So both his channel and the Warhammer official channel (particularly the old Duncan stuff, but the new people are okay too) are terrific.

If the question is; how should weathered armor look? I don't have a good answer for that because mostly armor shouldn't look weathered, haha. So the question is; do you want realistic weathering or Dark Souls weathering?

Realistic weathering - you're looking for areas where water can collect on the metal. If a knight or man-at-arms were stuck on long campaigns where you might even be expected to march and sleep in your armor (the Hundred Years War saw this happening), you are going to have issues with rust that you can't readily remove. Under/around the neck, around the top of forearm/elbow joint, on the lower arm just above where the gauntlet overlaps the lower arm armor, and depending on the terrain - maybe the feet and ankles. Look for areas water could pool and sit. Also look for areas where armor is contacting non-armor material goods. Cloaks, surcoats -- anything that will get soaked when it rains is also going to cause rusting around it because the wet material is holding moisture against the metal.

For a starting finish - there is no correct answer. Historians don't have a truly solid understanding of what kind of finish armor had during its working life. There are a lot of conflicting theories. We're reasonably certain that munitions-grade armor (later medieval period and afterward, cheaper, almost never fitted to the specific wearer) would have basically been dull-grey. No polish. Not even a final cleaning. Crank it out, wipe it off, throw it on a poor person. So for armor like that you'd start with a more gunmetal look an work down from there.
Polishing armor was EXTREMELY labor intensive in the medieval period. It also made the armor much, much harder to take care of (i.e. required more dedicated servants to clean it, and more often). So it's likely only the richest people had that mirror-polish to their armor. Some armor was also blackened, which actually protects against rust fairly well. Armor could also be painted, but we don't know how common this was.

Short version for realistic weathering based on polish? The shinier the armor - the worse the rust should actually be if you're playing on the idea that everyone is out on campaign. The cheaper armor should be darker in color to begin with, but ironically will resist rusting a bit longer and better than the high-polish armor. And blackened armor would be pretty expensive as well, but also should show less rust than either of the other types.

If you do blood stains on the armor - you should focus some rusting there as well. If you don't clean blood off your armor, it will rust - same as a sword. The same goes for if you decide to cake your armor with mud and grime -- anything that's potentially made of or trapping moisture is also going to bring rust with it. OH, and basically ANY mail on a figure that has some rust should also show some rust. Mail has a lot of crevices to collect rust - but also bear in mind that mail is somewhat self-cleaning, so it shouldn't really be -too- rusty.

If you're just looking to do Dark Souls stuff.. go nuts, I guess? There doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason. Most fantasy weathering looks, to me, like everything is a stiff breeze away from just falling apart because it's in such terrible shape.
 
A couple good and bad things with BBTS.

First off, yikes, that's quite a price jump on the werewolf preorder.

Now the good — they added a bunch of Poxxus wave figures and accessories to their Mythic sale.
 
So the price increase for BBTS is partially off set by the significant discount on shipping costs, but is also a tax I happily pay to keep my money in my pocket until the figure actually exists and can be sent to me. Not a fan of handing over hundreds of dollars for things I won't possess for two years.
 
A couple good and bad things with BBTS.

First off, yikes, that's quite a price jump on the werewolf preorder.

Now the good — they added a bunch of Poxxus wave figures and accessories to their Mythic sale.
Those are the retailer MSRPs set by the Four Horsemen. They did say several times it was at least a 25% savings ordering directly through them, over 30% savings on the all in set.
 
Yeah, I'm fine with the price increase for BBTS and other retailers for the most part, I preordered a few things this morning. But the werewolf jumped from $80 to $110 on BBTS (Haven't looked anywhere else). That's closer to a 40% increase. That's a big hike.
 
It’s about what happened with Leodysseus. He’s $100 on BBTS. With this wave all being slightly more across the board than the Beasts wave, it’s about what the we expected. Still not great of course but not that unexpected. The Bears still have the highest jump I think. They managed to keep the Polar Bear the same price but the Grizzly really jumped up from the Storehorsemen price. Unfortunately, the grizzly was the only one I wanted in that wave so I got him at the BBTS price . Learned my lesson and went all in on the Einsamall wave.

I agree the benefit of not having to pay up front is really nice so if I’m just picking and choosing a wave the savings isn’t that much difference.
 
I have a weird love for ice magic/mages that I can't really explain, but I've had a hankering to turn one of my skeletons into an ice skeleton by painting his bones light blue with a little white drybrushing.

I bought some acrylic fabric dye in a nice light blue because I don't want the elbow and knee joints scuffing back down to their unpainted bone color, but I kept putting it off because I've never used acetone to strip paint off these particular figures and I know if you get too aggressive with it or leave it too long, it'll melt the plastic. I always get a little spooked about trying new processes that can permanently modify or disfigure figures.

Then the Horsemen included blue Hagnon in their sale this morning and I was surprised I hadn't considered that option sooner. I still plan to give his bones a light, white drybrushing just to accentuate their visual weight and better distinguish this ice skeleton from my ghosts.
 
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I was conservative with the latest MyL wave. Almost did the All-In, but then I realized not everything wowed me. And I need to be a bit more conservative with what I order. Especially with this line. I have so many figures I haven't even opened yet. I preordered the werewolf and gnome. I was tempted by the fox, but I know a orange fox repaint character will happen which will be more appealing to me than a snow one. The male and female Viking characters are good but also kinda basic. No real interest in the blue orc. And the barrel and mugs are interesting but I think the barrel from the gnome will be fine. I have the grizzly on order. And the GIJoe Classified Polar Bear should be arriving tomorrow, so another polar bear is probably overkill for me.

One thing to consider regarding pricing is there are so many etailers carrying this line, that stuff could get marked down. BBTS has a bunch of Cosmic Legions marked down to 4H pricing. I have a feeling that line isn't being embraced as warmly as Mythic Legions, so maybe that's why some of that line is marked down.
 
Cosmic hasn’t really connected to me like Legions or Figura Obscura have and I think that seems to be the case with many others too. My first dabble will be the alternate head packs. They got me for the blue snakes and clan of Greys. Otherwise I’ve not picked any up. I’m sure they are great but generic sci fi just isn’t my thing.
 
I loved Cosmic at first but something's been missing for me for a while. I honestly think part of it is as creative as the initial designs are, there's really nothing new or exciting about what's coming up and a lot of it is a bit repetitive. I have to admit I bought most of the incoming wave because I was excited about the earlier stuff, but preordering a wave before the last one came in, I have big regrets. I maybe want two of the figures from the first OxKrewe set out of the ones I ordered. Though I do like what's coming in from OxKrewe Book 2 more.

I know the appeal is they don't have human creatures in the Cosmic line, but my favorite Mythics are ones with human faces that tell stories and the aliens are beautifully crafted but not as easy to connect with as humans, dwarves, elves, even orcs for me.
 
Yeah, it just doesn't get the buzz the fantasy line does.

Unrelated, I was trying to set up a "party riding mounts into adventure" type pose tonight and realized I think my next big want for this line is an oversized ram/goat for the dwarves to ride. Or maybe a warg for the goblins/orcs.
 
They revealed the OxKrewe Book 2 stuff on Aug. 3 last year and OxKrewe Book 1 around Aug. 11, 2023, so if a new CL wave is coming, we should be hearing about it soon.

I was pretty excited about Cosmic Legions, but I agree the first three waves are pretty lackluster with a few hits. The OxKrewe stuff does seem like a step up, though.
 
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