Four Horsemen Studios Mythic Legions

Nice photos. I skipped on Sir Andrew but I now see that was a mistake I'll have to rectify.

I don't know if you picked up Sir Ucczajk (the huge orge scale good knight) from the last wave, but him and Berodach together are ridiculously great.
 
Nice photos. I skipped on Sir Andrew but I now see that was a mistake I'll have to rectify.

I don't know if you picked up Sir Ucczajk (the huge orge scale good knight) from the last wave, but him and Berodach together are ridiculously great.

Yes I definitely got the white knight ogre! He’s really cool! I love his armor.
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I didn't go All-In on this All-Stars wave due to the re-release figures which I already have. I still have a decent sized order of the rest of the wave, but they haven't shipped yet. Between SDCC exclusives and various preorders arriving, I'm not really in a hurry for these All-Stars to arrive.

Haven't ordered the newest wave yet either. I realize this is the last week to order from 4H, so I'm sure I'll have to put an order in soon.

My friend attended SDCC. He was able to get one convention barbarian and one of the early-release paladin/cleric figure. I was hoping to get two of each. Each day they were sold out within minutes of opening. I find it odd they brought so little of those figures to the convention. Especially the barbarian. It's their convention-first figure. It's going to be in-demand, especially at SDCC. I realize both figures will be available on-line at the end of the year, but it also seemed to be a bit of poor planning.
 
Okay so... wasn't likely to be much meat here since the entire video is like 6 minutes. I watched it. Some notes:

1.) So tired of hearing someone at 4H make excuses for why they, a massively successful studio with decades in the business, have to keep going back to Kickstarter to do anything. The lamest excuse so far was this one: Kickstarter is a great place for RPGs to get discovered. Fucking what? Are you guys like... some tiny indie studio with no brand recognition or something? Fuck off.
Yes, I understand lots of companies go back to KS over and over again, and I generally think -all of them- are full of shit in their reasoning. It's easier money. It's less risk. That's it. Just say it or don't say anything.

2.) There will be toys in the KS. I actually... kind of disagree with this decision. I think it's a little bit backhanded. Yes, ML is a toyline first. But you're running a TTRPG KS. I genuinely think it should sink or swim on its own as a product and not be (inevitably) bolstered by tons of action figure sales. Because if you're just going to do the latter -- see point number 1: just sell toys, because you are a toy company, and then use the profits to make a TTRPG. No KS necessary.
I know, I know; people are going to want the toys and be excited to buy the toys. That's totally true. Action figures just don't belong in a TTRPG Kickstarter.

3.) Dan refers to the minis as 'game pieces.' Dan... goddamn dude...

4.) Dummy talking says the point of using 5E is to make a game people who know the rules can easily play, and that people who've never played can easily learn. No one that actually plays D&D has ever accused 5E of being easy to learn. This guy doesn't know shit.

5.) Same dummy: 'It will be playable with minis, minis will be part of the campaign.' What the fuck is this dumbass talking about? D&D is ALWAYS playable with minis, but minis are not 'part of a campaign' because that's not what 'campaign' .. means? Like.. fucking what, dude? Minis are part of the campaign? Like my character is aware they are in the game and have to control their own miniature on the battle map? No, of course not. That would be fucking stupid. Just like that comment.

6.) Same dummy says there will be game mechanics that involve actually having the figures. So this is fucking Skylanders or ..Amibo? Is that what that shitty game that no one cares about anymore was called? How the fuck do you make game mechanics, within the framework of 5E, that requires the use of action figures? Or even minis? If the former; that's just completely fucked and these guys are morons of the highest order. If it's the latter - the minis are representations of your characters in the world. You don't have rules that REQUIRE the use of them, as THEY are representations of your use of the rules.

7.) Eric says 'we were inspired by roleplaying games' regarding designing Mythic Legions. I'm assuming by that he means they stole a bunch of RPG artwork to design their products.

8.) Eric: "If you're a gamer, you're gonna love this." I fucking doubt it, sir.

9.) Dummy again: Claims that the person doing all the work on this is a member of the studio that is "a long time gamer." In other words; NO professional experience developing or designing TTRPGs. The 4H, probably out of pure greed, have decided to do everything in house, including things they definitely do not fucking know how to do. Terrible idea. Gamers aren't gonna love that, Eric. Real gamers like games developed by people that have some idea what they're doing so that the game doesn't release as a broken, unplayable mess.

10.) Dummy: "When we go live with the Kickstarter, the game is done. It's ready to go.... our goal is deliver within 6 months." What. The. Fuck. Okay, there's actually a lot wrong with this. First of all, one of the most expensive parts of developing a TTRPG is -developing- it. Tons of money (often via time) goes into this. If you've already finished the game, as in the game is essentially ready for public release, then you DON'T NEED A FUCKING KICKSTARTER. Just use your decades-long successful company to fund the PRINTING and take fucking pre-orders, you clowns.
But also, they said the KS is going live fairly soon, and yet I haven't heard a SINGLE whisper about what the playtesters think. Games that are ready for release have been exhaustively playtested. When was the playtesting - how many playtesters were there - what were their notes and what changes did you make based on their feedback? How many actual total games were run - how many hours of gameplay? Fuck off with this.



My takeaway overall here is this: Either these guys are legitimately fucking con-men and this entire thing is just another product to slap their branding on and sell, mostly by selling you toys that have no business even being included here; or they really are absolutely fucking clueless about this. Either way I imagine this will be a pretty shit fucking product. Hell, just the fact that everything they claim to be doing is fitting into ONE book is weird as hell. Even from an established company I'd be a little concerned about that. From these guys? Just make toys. If your world wasn't literally nothing more than a slapdash of stupid names plastered onto a cardback, companies would be coming to you to license stuff like this. They're not. Says it all.
God, I missed you. 💙
 
Nice photos. I skipped on Sir Andrew but I now see that was a mistake I'll have to rectify.

I don't know if you picked up Sir Ucczajk (the huge orge scale good knight) from the last wave, but him and Berodach together are ridiculously great.
Now that I've been able to fix his wonky left arm, Andrew is one of my favorite figures in the whole line. I thought in the promo photos he had kind of nervous, sidekick energy, but in-hand he's got some world-weary, Seen-Some-Sh*t gravitas. I can't figure out how to best use that swirly spell effect but the sword flame works well on both swords. Really great color palette too.
 
Now that I've been able to fix his wonky left arm, Andrew is one of my favorite figures in the whole line. I thought in the promo photos he had kind of nervous, sidekick energy, but in-hand he's got some world-weary, Seen-Some-Sh*t gravitas. I can't figure out how to best use that swirly spell effect but the sword flame works well on both swords. Really great color palette too.
He is a great figure, the face really sells that he has absolutely had enough of all the undead nonsense.

I kind of want to swap in some different parts as he feels a bit too fancy with the gold trim and I prefer the knights to look a bit raggedy. I've struggled to find any places that do custom skirt pieces though (instead of the full tabard/surcoat), so my options seem a bit limited.
 
He is a great figure, the face really sells that he has absolutely had enough of all the undead nonsense.

I kind of want to swap in some different parts as he feels a bit too fancy with the gold trim and I prefer the knights to look a bit raggedy. I've struggled to find any places that do custom skirt pieces though (instead of the full tabard/surcoat), so my options seem a bit limited.
He IS way fancier than I was expecting, but now that I have him in hand and I see that even in the bio he was trained under the fanciest of fancy magic users (Jorund Runeshaper) it kind of makes sense that he'd have some flair.
 
I love the elaborate detail that some of the knights like Sir Andrew and Sir Enoch have in their full gear. It’s like they are geared up for a tournament. But you can dress then up for pageantry or dress them down for combat. Really nice to have options.


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Seeing that I'm disappointed by Figma/Figuart's Soulsborne figures, I thought I'd kitbash something myself.

I'm inspired by this guy's work:


That custom's on the Valiant Knight body. That body's a bit pricey on the secondary market. Can anyone recommend a close approximation that'll run me close to retail price?

I believe Sir Elijah has nearly the same base body as Valiant Knight and can be had at retail from BBTS (well, THEIR retail): https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/224948

Adalric has the same base body but brighter silver: https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/224946

I've seen a lot of folks using Elijah's base armored body as the start of customs. The overlay tunic is cloth and easily removable on both figures, and have the improved hands/legs etc. that Valiant has. The new knight body is a huge improvement from the old ones, though still has those meh single jointed elbows. You can absolutely find a helmet to swop onto the head to match better than what they come with too (IIRC Elijah comes with a bucket, Adalric with a visored helm).
 
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