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akajomiha

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I love the comic talk in random threads and I'm surprised we didn't already have a space here to talk about comics, so here we go. Whatcha reading, what are your general thoughts? Is Alex Ross overrated? What comic is flying under the radar? Favorite creators/runs? Whatever.
 
For me, I was first introduced to comic books in 1983 when my brother-in-law from Egypt visited our family for the first time and brought me a handful of comics. I specifically remember two of them- Iron Man #171 and Fantastic Four #255. It was over for me. I only stopped reading regularly around 1994 - college and illicit substances took priority. Got back into comics in 98 with the Heroes Return (a return to form as well) comics came out. Read regularly again until around 2008 or so when mortgage and kids became my priority. I still never got back to reading regularly but I have a ton of TPBs on my bookshelves and subscribe to Marvel Unlimited in hopes that I'll someday find the time to read more than once every couple of weeks.
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My favorite runs?
1. Stern/John Buscema/Tom Palmer Avengers
2. Claremont/Byrne X-Men
3. Stern/Byrne and Gruenwald Captain America (is that cheating?)
4, Byrne FF
5. Miller DD

Other favorite works for me are Watchmen, Top 10, Crisis on Infinite Earths, OHOTMU and Simonson's Thor run.

You can tell I'm a Marvel Zombie, even though I read tons and tons of DC too.
 
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As I've said a few times in various places, my first comic was Uncanny X-Men 133, which came packed with Marvel Legends series 3 Wolverine. I read issues here and there, but I didn't start regularly reading comics until a decade later. It was at that point that I went back and read the classics and subscribed to countless ongoings.

I still pull 15–20 issues a month. These are the best things I'm reading right now:
  • Absolute Batman
  • Absolute Wonder Woman
  • Psylocke - so bummed to learn that this is a 10-issue mini
  • Something is Killing the Children
  • Ultimate Spider-Man
  • Uncanny X-Men
The best things I've ever read... Phew. Not comprehensive, but close. In rough order:
  1. Animal Man by Morrison
  2. Fantastic Four, Avengers, and Secret Wars by Hickman
  3. Swamp Thing by Moore
  4. Uncanny X-Force by Remender
  5. All-Star Superman by Morrison
  6. Batman: The Long Halloween by Loeb/Sale
  7. Daredevil by Miller, Bendis, Brubaker, and Waid
  8. Astonishing X-Men by Whedon/Cassaday
  9. Y: The Last Man by Vaughan
  10. Velvet by Brubaker/Epting
  11. Batman by Snyder/Capullo - the highs are so high but the lows are so low
  12. Batman: The Killing Joke by Moore/Bolland
  13. Criminal by Brubaker/Phillips
  14. Spider-Man: Life Story by Zdarsky/Bagley
  15. Hellblazer: Dangerous Habits by Ennis
  16. The Vision by King/Hernandez Walta
  17. New X-Men by Morrison
  18. Batman: White Knight by Murphy
  19. Hawkeye by Fraction/Aja
I suspect Saga will round out the top 20 whenever it finishes.
 
My grandfather bought me my first comic book in late 1964 when I was six years old. I remember it well. It was Justice League of America number 34, "The Deadly Dreams of Doctor Destiny!"

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The Silver Age of Comics was in full swing then, but I was too young to know about any of that. Actually, I don't think anyone was calling it the Silver Age at that point in time. That came later. All I knew was comics were fun and colorful and cool and I wanted all that I could get my little hands on. True story: That issue of JLA featured Doctor Destiny and introduced the Materioptikon, later called the Dreamstone. Destiny and the Dreamstone would figure prominently decades later in Neil Gaiman's brilliant and lyrical Sandman series for Vertigo Comics.

There was no Direct Sales Market in those days of the early 1960's but fortunately in my little Indiana town you could buy comics at news stands, drug stores, grocery stores, gas stations, dime stores and anywhere books and magazines were sold. DC's, Archie's, Gold Key's, Dell's and Harvey's were plentiful, but I rarely saw Marvel's. This is something else I didn't find out about until later: Marvel's publisher, Martin Goodman, had entered into a crappy distribution deal. They were hardly available in the mid-west which was a bummer. That ended in 1968 when Marvel found a new distributor and got better terms. I was pretty content and happy with the Silver Age, especially after you could find Marvel's.

Then the 1970's rolled around and the Bronze Age began. Again, I don't recall anyone calling it the Bronze Age back then.. I knew something really cool was happening though. Jack Kirby's Fourth World, Wein and Wrightson's Swamp Thing, Jim Starlin's Captain Marvel, Thomas and Smith's Conan the Barbarian, O'Neil and Adams Green Lantern/Green Arrow, the debut of Wolverine, Punisher, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Giant-Size X-Men number 1, Man-Thing, Wolfman and Colan's Tomb of Dracula, Howard the Duck, the Defenders, Son of Satan and Oh My God comics were so damn amazing. I bought an Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide at a bookstore in 1974 and that was illuminating. I learned that the 1940's, which was the time period my parents read comics in, was called the Golden Age. I also learned the 1960's was called the Silver Age. I thought it was amazing that comics had historians that gave each important point in the history of the medium a name. I was hooked on this hobby. I knew then that comics were no longer a childhood fancy for me. I was in this for life. I remember my high school girl friend asking me if I could picture myself doing this when I was 50. I'm 66 and now so the answer would be yes. I'll keep doing this until the day I die.

In 1979 I joined the Navy and moved to California. Then came the 1980's and the Direct Sales Market. I quickly discovered Comic Book Stores and Comic Book Conventions. I went to my first San Diego Comic Con in 1982 and I've been to every one since then. I attended panels and listened to people who there at the beginning talk with reverence about the Golden and Silver Ages. And yes, that's when I learned that the 1970's were called the Bronze Age. Later on in this thread I'll talk about the different ages, how they were named and why they're important when discussing the history of the medium.

The 80's were amazing. The direct sales market completely changed the way comics were packaged and distributed and it was like a god send for fans. Comic shops were so cool. Back issues galore and you were guaranteed never to miss an issue of your favorite title. And the most amazing thing of all: Comic stores gave rise to the Alternative Press and new publishers whose titles were sold exclusively in comic shops. Eclipse, First, Capital, Pacific, Dark Horse and Comico were some of the more prominent ones. And then you had self publishers. Wendy and Richard Pini wrote and drew a beautiful fantasy book called Elfquest that they published on their own, for example. It wasn't all superheroes and that was actually fine with me. Comics needed something different and the direct market gave us that. I was a twenty something in those days and I loved it. I loved all kinds of comics. Alternatives, Undergrounds, Newspaper Strips, Mainstream, European Graphic Novels, you name it, I loved it.

Now here I am in my 60's and my love of comics is mostly fueled by nostalgia. I have a great fondness for the comics my grandparents and parents bought me when I was a little boy. The Metal Men, the Doom Patrol, the Legion of Super-Heroes, World's Finest, Brave and the Bold, Sgt Rock, Adam Strange, JLA ... I look at those old comics and I it warms my heart. It doesn't mean I don't care about modern books, though. A beautifully written and drawn comic will always be a beautifully written and drawn comic regardless of when it came out. At Comic Con this year I bought a graphic novel called The Mushroom Knight. What an amazing revelation that book was. It was a beautifully written and drawn story that won the Most Promising Newcomer Award at the 2024 Eisners. Later on in this thread I'll tell you more about it. I'm waiting for volume 2 to be delivered on Saturday.

So that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Thank you, @akajomiha, for starting this thread. I hope other folks share their stories.
 
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Now we're going to talk a little bit about the different ages of comics history, how the medium has evolved over the decades and the events that helped shape and define the industry.

Why do we break down comics history into different ages? I think it's because when we look at comics history as a whole, naming each specific age gives us a structure and framework, and also some context into real life historical events (World War Two, the Great Depression, the rise of the internet, ect). It also helps merchants who deal in back issues market and sell their wares.

Now, I want you to bear in mind that there is no hard and fast rule for when a particular age began, when it ended, and when the next one began. Different comic book historians have different takes. Using the Silver Age for example, some say it began in 1956 with the publication of Showcase 4 and the first appearance of the Silver Age Flash. Others will say it began in 1961 with the first issue of the Fantastic Four. Basically, if you're a DC fan, you say the Silver Age began in 1956. If you're a Marvel fan, you say it started in 1961. Whether that's right or wrong depends entirely upon your perspective.

Let's begin.

Victorian Age (1842–1897)

Considered to be the first comic book published in America, The Adventures of Mr. Obadiah Oldbuck was created by the Swiss caricaturist Rodolphe Töpffer in 1827. It was published in the United States within a supplement of the New York newspaper, Brother Jonathan, in 1842. Töpffer comics were reprinted regularly until the late 1870s, which gave American artists the idea to produce similar works. In 1849, Journey to the Gold Diggins by Jeremiah Saddlebags by James A. and Donald F. Read was the first American comic.

Platinum Age (1897–1938)

This is when the first newspaper comic strips using recurring characters began to emerge. Prominent examples included the Yellow Kid, Mutt & Jeff and the Katzenjammer Kids. This lead directly to the beginning of what we now think of when we think of modern comic books: 20 to 30 pages stapled together, in full color and sold on newsstands. This leads us to directly to ...

Golden Age (1938–1956)

This is it. This is the beginning. This when comics most popular and iconic characters were created and also when two of arguably the most important comic books of all time were published: Action Comics number 1 in June of 1938 and Marvel Comics number 1 in August of 1939. This is the period that gave us the first appearances of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain America, Captain Marvel and the Sub-Mariner.

Atomic Age (1946-1956)

The world entered a new era with the dropping of the atom bomb on Hiroshima. This period of comics was characterized by themes of nuclear power, space exploration and futuristic technology. Adam Strange and Captain Comet made their debuts.

Silver Age (1956–1970)

This is the age that defined the public's perception of comic books for decades. The Comics Code Authority came into play and heavily restricted what publishers were allowed to print. American comic books were mostly viewed as kiddie fare by adults. Despite these conditions, superheroes made a huge comeback with the Flash, Green Lantern and the Justice League at DC and the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Hulk, X-Men, Thor and Iron Man at Marvel. Marvel Editor Stan Lee started gearing his stories toward a slightly more mature audience than the bubblegum brigade and it worked. Marvel became huge on High School and College Campuses all over the country. This was a new beginning for the American comic book industry.

Bronze Age (1970-1985)

Comics began to really mature during this period with a return to darker themes and relevant social issues, such as over population, drug addiction and racism. There were five major events in the world of comics that marked the beginning of the Bronze Age in 1970:

1) The very first San Diego Comic Con, a gathering of fans and dedicated to promoting the popular arts

2) The publication of the very first Overstreet Price Guide, an invaluable resource for collectors that's still published to this day

3) Jack Kirby left Marvel for DC and created the Fourth World

4) The publication of Conan The Barbarian number 1, a beautifully written and drawn book that was intended for more mature readers and definitely NOT for small children.

5) The publication of Green Lantern/Green Arrow number 76 by Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams. No escapist fantasy here. This comic was a turning point, away from superheroics and more towards social relevancy. The award winning O'Neil and Adams run featured stories about poverty, drug addiction, war, pollution, civil disobedience and over population. Heavy themes for comics.

Those five events marked a huge transition in comics readership and was a wake up call to publishers. Kids and casual readers were being replaced by diehard fans who were hooked on this hobby. You could tell things were changing when you walked into your local drug store to buy your comics. More and more adults were hanging around the spinner rack and browsing the titles. Since I was becoming an adult, that was nice to see. The Bronze Age ended with the publication of Crisis on Infinite Earths. No more Krypto, Earth 2, Satellite HQ, Supergirl and Barry Allen Flash. So long to the Silver Age and all those dear things we grew up when we were children. A new Dark Age was about to begin.

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Copper Age (1986-1992)

Also sometimes referred to as "The Dark Age" for reasons that shall become clear. Some historians will say that the Copper Age began with Marvel's first Secret Wars mini series published in 1984. I disagree. I think the Cooper Age began with the publication of Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, Alan Moore's and Dave Gibbons' Watchmen and Moore's Miracleman. Those were three best selling and award winning books with heavy dark and dystopian themes. Almost the exact opposite of the optimism of the Silver Age, they dealt with the deconstruction of the superhero. They were extraordinarily well written and drawn but they were also dark and depressing. This why some folks want to call this era the Dark Age and it's hard to argue with them. It's also worth noting that this age of comics also gave us Chris Claremont and Jim Lee's X-Men number 1, the best selling comic book of all time. Lee and Claremont have royalty money from that book they haven't spent yet.

Chrome Age (1992-1999)

It begins with the Death of Superman and the birth of Image Comics. This was the age of superstar artists, chromium covers, Valiant comics, violent anti-heroes, bad girls, and speculators run amok. Out of control speculation led to inflated print runs and then the great market crash of 1993. Superman's return in Adventures of Superman 500 sold much less than his death in Superman 75. Retailers were not expecting that. That was almost the end of the direct market, but things eventually did get better.

Modern Age (2000-Present)

These last 25 years or so have been pretty interesting. The internet and digital platforms have changed how comics are created, distributed, and consumed. Webcomics have become a significant platform, and digital comics offer new possibilities for storytelling, including interactive elements. We've seen the rise of trade paperbacks and deluxe reprint collections. The success of superhero movies based on comics has influenced the comics themselves, with some characters and storylines being adapted for the big screen. While superhero comics remain popular, the 21st century has seen a boom in other genres like fantasy, science fiction, horror, and slice-of-life stories. Comics are also tackling more complex and socially relevant themes, such as mental health, social justice, and political issues. 21st-century comics have also seen a push for greater representation of marginalized groups, including characters who are women, people of color, LGBTQ+, and those with disabilities. These are all good things.

And that brings us to the present. This look at the different ages of comics and how they're defined is by no means a complete history of the medium. I could write a book just on EC Comics alone and the impact they had in the Atomic Age. Same with Carl Barks and Disney, The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in the Bronze Age, the rise of comics shops in the 80's and a whole bunch more.

But I hope what I have written gives you an idea of how the industry has grown and changed since the publication of the very first comic book in 1842. From the 19th century to the 21st it's been one hell of a trip.
 
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Interestingly, I've always heard the era you're calling the Copper Age and most of what you're calling the Chrome Age collectively referred to as 'The Iron Age' - characterized by not just deconstructing the hero, but the rise of the anti-hero and the possibly the first intentional 'call to the contemporary' with characters that attempted to truly be 'of the current times' and appeal to that base; i.e. the leather generation, darker colors, more punk and heavy metal influences, as well as more direct political commentary than may have been common prior.
 
Interestingly, I've always heard the era you're calling the Copper Age and most of what you're calling the Chrome Age collectively referred to as 'The Iron Age' - characterized by not just deconstructing the hero, but the rise of the anti-hero and the possibly the first intentional 'call to the contemporary' with characters that attempted to truly be 'of the current times' and appeal to that base; i.e. the leather generation, darker colors, more punk and heavy metal influences, as well as more direct political commentary than may have been common prior.

Yes, I've heard the term Iron Age before. I've heard it used at SDCC and I've heard some podcasters use it.

Someday, we'll have to get all the comics historians together in one room and have a "Council of Nicaea" moment, where they hammer out what to call the ages of comics once and for all.

Of course, as soon as they do reach a consensus, assuming they ever do, someone else will come up with a whole new take and insist he's right.

Eh ... what are ya gonna do?
 
Moving this to the comic thread.
Sacrificers and Seasons (Remender can do no wrong by me)
Remender was my favorite comic writer for a long time. While The Sacrificers is great, I don't think he's hit the heights of Fear Agent, Black Science, or Deadly Class since those titles ended.

Napalm Lullaby finally broke me. That was one of the worst endings in recent memory. It's clear there was no plan; he was just looking for the nearest exit.

I loved the first issue of The Seasons. The rest have been meh.
 
I've not finished Napalm Lullaby yet. I'm about a month behind on my hard copies. Did you read Grommets? I have no connection to skate culture, yet that book made me nostalgic. Neat trick.
 
Yeah, I read and liked Grommets. It borrowed some of the stuff I like best about Deadly Class.
 
From Daredevil/Punisher: The Devil’s Trigger #1

So, this variant cover is VERY 90's to me (apparently the artist thinks of the suit as dampening all the noise Matt makes, which is at least on brand), and I don't think it's necessarily right for Matt... BUT... hear me out... I actually love this specific sort of throwback bullshit, and if ML wants to give me this as a figure I will pick it up. I'm still sorta sad I didn't grab the black armor suit earlier. And I still want Matt in his red 3 piece from Waid's run (almost total re-use Hasbro, make it happen!).

This really reminds me of a halfway point between Knightfall blue and grey Azrael Batman and first appearance of Superboy post Death of Superman. And I still think both of those costumes are rad.

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