Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies and Streaming Series Discussion

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fac said:
I think the culmination in Endgame was not beating Thanos, but reversing the snap permanently.
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It should have been, yes.

The time heist was great. A really fun and organic way to revisit everything that started the MCU. No notes.

But the grand finale it lead up to, the last 30 minutes of the movie (not counting 15 minutes of goodbyes) was an epic throw down of every hero ever vs Thanos' forces.

It's a nitpick and I'm not trying to convince anybody, but I found the final battle a bit of a retread. Once the thrill of "Avengers assemble" faded, it was a punchup against enemies they'd already defeated and another Snap.

Schizm said:
It made half the universe suffer needlessly and created endless storytelling problems for the MCU
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YES!!

They wanted a five year time jump to be a shock, but once five years had gone by, I had a hard time thinking they were doing the right thing. A year later? Sure, but five? You're just proving Thanos' point. No way there's enough food to go around, just for starters. It sounds like a nightmare.

And storywise, things have to just continued as normal? Like, there's enough interest to maintain a STEM high school for five years until Parker and his friends come back?

I don't think anything was worth that brief shock moment of "five years later."
 
I’ve always thought about people who lost their significant others in the snap, and ended up finding someone else…how do you move forward with that.
 
At the time after Endgame came out I thought they needed to set some shows in that 5 year gap, have some of the heroes deal with those issues - like a brother or parent or significant other returning after being snapped, or more on how Peter dealt with it, or a hero losing their home and so on. But ultimately it would become too serious I think, so that those 5 years go more or less unexplored in terms of what it meant that it happened and unhappened is fine with me. They alluded to it in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and we saw Yelena and Monica come back, but that was about it...

There really is no way to show the scope of such a thing. Sort of like how we talked about for Star Wars, Leia watches her whole planet get destroyed and she is pretty emotionally stable about it...
 
Watched Marvel Zombies and... if this is as close as we get to Young Avengers led by Kamala, then Marvel really f'd up. This was great! WAY more graphic, gruesome and bloody than I thought Marvel would ever go, and the brutal way some of these characters go out is... marvelous. :)

I didn't watch the trailer so I didn't realize it was going to be the Phase 4 culmination. Hearing Kamala have fun with Kate, Riri and Yelena was just as entertaining as I thought it would be. Marvel WASTING these actors as these characters is absolutely a baffling call.

It was also so nice to see Shang-Chi and Katy in action again! LOVE that dynamic, those actors have chemistry even in animation and I'm so glad they were leads in this. I love that Shang shared the rings with Katy, giving her the means to protect herself in an apocalypse while also making her awesome. That would have been a super cool moment to see in live-action. I'm bummed that Awkwafina isn't even rumored to be in Doomsday (yeah, I know how that sounds). :(

"DEATH DEALER!!!" is not a phrase I ever thought would mean something.

Blade Knight - I wonder if *this* is the reason this series got shelved for so long, Marvel not wanting Blade's MCU debut to happen in animation. I didn't think it was Maharshala doing the voice but Todd Williams did a great job mimicking a performance that does not exist. I enjoyed this version of the character.

Yelena, Alexei and Melina all had great moments, as did Zemo, Walker, Zombie Okoye, Valkyrie, RINTRAH - guys, Rintrah got lines! And so did Sara and "London Master," who kicked a lot of ass with one move that he then didn't just keep doing for some reason... Zombie Hank and Janet were awesome. Panther had a nice bit with Thanos. I thought they nailed almost everyone, except for Wenwu - that was kinda lame. But at least he went out insulting his child, so points. Hulk was also kinda whatever - sure, I guess? That final fight with him did nothing for me. Also, the lack of dialogue towards the end felt like they just didn't want to pay the actors, so decided to just be quiet, which is weird for Marvel. Granted, the zombies don't talk, but Hulk never speaking was odd.

Best fight, though - Red Guardian vs half of Captain America. FANTASTIC. "They will write songs about this." Melina: "No one will write about that." The shade SO GOOD.

Yelena wanting to get solo with Shang-Chi was another surprise - an adult Marvel character expressing sexual interest?! I hope that dynamic gets explored in Doomsday. A delightful surprise, almost as surprising as the amount of skeletons we saw pulled from skin. Ugh, and Thor's eyeball!

On the whole, this show was really fun, and gave me some of that old MCU magic that the current MCU refuses to give me.

And then... Wanda. This poor character. Interesting, convincing performance - very White Witch - but then just insane - maybe? I liked the note this ended on with Kamala, and I love that they included Kamran and her mom for a beat.

This left me wondering what is the biggest storytelling fail post-Endgame - the five year jump, killing T'Challa or what they did to Wanda.

Or not doing Young Avengers. Least we'll always have this!
 
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So here's what the schedule looks like now:

Phase Six

67. Fantastic Four: First Steps - July 25th, 2025
68. Wonder Man - December, 2025
69. Daredevil Born Again Season Two - March, 2026
70. Spider-Man: Brand New Day - July 31st, 2026
71. Avengers: Doomsday - December 18th, 2026
72. Avengers: Secret Wars - December 17th, 2027

Phase Seven

73. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - February 18th, 2028
74. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - May 5th, 2028
75. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - November 10th, 2028
76. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - December 15th, 2028

WHAT WE KNOW IS COMING (we just don't know exactly when) :

The Punisher Special
Vision
Blade
Shang Chi 2
Doctor Strange 3
Black Panther 3
The X-Men
Armor Wars
 
SDcomics said:
75. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - November 10th, 2028
76. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - December 15th, 2028
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Interesting these are so close together- 3 years away so not going to speculate too much but maybe something interconnected? Back to back X-Men?

There is a part of me that thinks that the performance of Doomsday might have an impact on the budget and scope of Phase 7. If Doomsday isn't massive, how much faith would they have in the four 2028 films to put huge budgets behind them?

I am losing faith in there being a Shang Chi 2 and Black Panther 3.... Shang Chi was 4 years ago already, can it support a 7 year gap? Same with BP 3 and a 6 year gap (and fans not embracing Shuri so far)? I know we will get both in the Avengers films, but still, is there really a groundswell for more of them solo?

If I'm Marvel for Phase 7 I'm doing FF, X-Men, New Avengers (Yelena's team + some others like Shang Chi, Vision) and Young Avengers (Kamala's team with Shuri and maybe Spidey) and leave the past behind apart from maybe some cameos. Let Doomsday and Secret Wars close the book on the headliners from Phase 1 to 6.
 
We still haven't closed the book on the headliners from 2000 - "til you're NINETY!" isn't even a joke anymore.

How would fans have had the chance to embrace Shuri? We haven't seen her AT ALL in three years - not even a fun cameo in Ironheart. Shang-Chi just made a fantastic showing in Zombies - is the internet not ablaze? Pretty sure there was interest in more of him, but Marvel completely dropped that ball - not the fans.

I also completely forgot we haven't seen America in three years now, too.
 
Shang Chi is the new Doctor Strange where three Spider-Man movies will be released between the first and second, but hell appear in a couple of Avengers along the way.
 
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