Hasbro Harry Potter

I'm curious about the show but I'm open to reinterpretations, but the biggest possibility to me about the HP show is if it does well, maybe Disney will reboot Star Wars as a series. Cut out the sibling smooches, GOT fans be damned.
 
Y'know it's funny, her fat-phobic stuff didn't even click for me because damned near every children's author for like 250 years was like "fat people are evil and stupid!"

It's almost too bad she didn't pull a Lucas and sell the IP off for billions of dollars. A good writing team with permission to update and sand the edges off the problematic stuff could fix a lot since most of the problematic stuff is not story-relevant, it's just authorial biases leaking through.
 
The bigger question to me is do the now nearly 40 year-olds that were the main Potter fans in the late 90s to late 2000's really want to see another adaptation? Especially as I don't think there was a major sense that the films were bad or disliked.
The adaptation isn't for the 40 yr olds. It's for the new batch of 10 yr olds who look at any movie their parents watched and think of it as "old". They are hoping there's a blue ocean of fans that were born since 2016 that are ready for HP to take over their little brains.
Personally, I separate the art from the artist. I mean, to give an example, Tolkien was a staunch Catholic who would not agree with many people today who enjoy his work, but they don't think about that, do they? And who knows how many of the CEOs of companies we enjoy products of are just like JKR or worse, but because we know nothing of their beliefs, we still support those companies.
As other folks have said, it's easy when Tolkien's dead. And as you point out we don't know these other folks.

Everyone makes their personal compromises, and everyone has a different moral event horizon. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism as the saying goes. But it's absolutely reasonable to look at an artist you think is a bigot (or rapist, fascist, general piece of shit, whatever) and say "nah, fam, fuck you and your shit straight into the sun". Fuck Jo, fuck Cosby, fuck Picasso, Kevin Spacey, Luc Besson, Kid Rock, Neil Gaiman...

Fuck 'em all. There's plenty of artists in the world making good shit every day. I won't run out if I toss them in the bin.
But truly the main question was asked above: will those over-40 fans show up to buy the figures?
This is a good question. And yeah, my guess is it might be enough to get a wave or two, the major characters perhaps, but I see it going the way of the Indiana Jones line.

Not to derail things, but if you had a 12-year-old kid who said they wanted to read Harry Potter, would you discourage that due to JK?

Unlike say a Roald Dahl, who I think some of his views on race can be found in his books at times (looking at you Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator), Rowling's anti-trans stuff isn't found in the books near as I can tell, while the content of the books are pretty good in terms of social messaging overall.
No, because at 12 I'd be more concerned about the kid becoming a lover of reading in general. However, I'd probably encourage it to be a library loan and I'd definitely put a pin in it to have a talk with the kid about authorship at some point (because they'll need to learn sometime).

Also, ALSO, I would 100% steer them towards the Tiffany Aching books. If you just MUST have a bildungsroman about a young magical person who signs on for tutorship from older witches, Tiffany's right there, yo. For one, Terry was a better writer than Jo will ever be (fight me). For two, he was a much more humanistic writer *especially* in those books. For three, we know where he stood on trans issues, he wrote a whole fantasy book dissecting gender and wove it through many of his other works besides. For four, he's got 40+ books to her seven and I'd be ok with a kid pretty reading all of the ones I've read so far. That'll keep'em busy for ages longer.
 
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Everyone makes their personal compromises, and everyone has a different moral event horizon. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism as the saying goes. But it's absolutely reasonable to look at an artist you think is a bigot (or racist, rapist, sexist, general piece of shit, whatever) and say "nah, fam, fuck you and your shit straight into the sun". Fuck Jo, fuck Cosby, fuck Picasso, Kevin Spacey, Luc Besson, Neil Gaiman...

Fuck 'em all. There's plenty of artists in the world making good shit every day. I won't run out if I toss them in the bin.

Agreed. In a world where Rod Serling once lived, I refuse to settle for less.
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BTW, once again proving Articulated Thoughts is a bright spot on the interwebs, this has been the least angry and defensive conversation about the HP series I've seen in a while. (Writing YA the topic is like, professionally ever-present and this conversation compared to actual discussions in reading and writing forums is incredibly civilized.)
 
The adaptation isn't for the 40 yr olds. It's for the new batch of 10 yr olds who look at any movie their parents watched and think of it as "old".
I guess. Do 10 year-olds think the films look old or care their parents liked it? I genuinely wouldn't think they would notice but maybe that is a problem. Its not like its in B&W with wires holding up the brooms or anything. I just think its an IP they want to keep monetizing but are at a loss as to how to do that once Fantastic Beast went off the rails.

One thing I find odd is I can't see them changing too much of the look of the Wizarding World given how much has been invested in the theme parks to match the original films. Which might make it seem even more like a cosplay version.

Given there really wasn't a contemporaneous toy line that was successful when it was at its peak, I suspect this may be a tough lift. I actually think a line based on the original films might succeed more - as a collector line working on nostalgia, people in their 30's and 40's are probably the peak customers for that stuff more than kids. That 20 to 25 year gap for something liked as kids is the right time for them to be adults with some disposable income and be in the toy aisles for their kids - and possibly wanting to expose their kids to the same things they liked.

We'll see.
 
It's almost too bad she didn't pull a Lucas and sell the IP off for billions of dollars.
She kind of has, WB is the co-owner. My assumption is that they will end up with all of it eventually.

Also re-reading the initial press release, maybe it will cover everything WB owns - “Our partnership with Hasbro will deliver fresh, innovative toys, collectibles and games inspired by the beloved Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts films and the new HBO Original TV series.”

Basic toys for the new series, collectible line for the films?
 
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This is a thoughtful, excellent thread.

One thing I would add is that JKR has said that she sees any buy-in or participation with the HP franchise as an endorsement of her views. I’m not saying you have to agree with her, but that *is* what she thinks.

So if you participate in HP, JKR at least thinks you are *actively* on her side.

This is much, MUCH easier when they are dead.

My niece just turned 18 and my wife and I desperately want to fulfill her dream of going to HP world at Universal Studios, but we are SO FUCKING CONFLICTED.
 
Do 10 year-olds think the films look old or care their parents liked it? I genuinely wouldn't think they would notice but maybe that is a problem. Its not like its in B&W with wires holding up the brooms or anything. I just think its an IP they want to keep monetizing but are at a loss as to how to do that once Fantastic Beast went off the rails.
They definitely will notice. Films from even 10 yrs ago look different in style and editing, not to mention fashion (including costuming, costuming has a style too). You can tell a movie was from the 80's 90's 2000's or 2010's from just small clips simply by the look of stuff in frame. It's not necessarily something people consciously notice, but something they can feel and the kids will know it's older.

I do think they want to keep monetizing it and I don't necessarily think it'll work now, not because HP is old or because of Jo, but because there's new stuff that young kids are into that is their own. It's hard to repackage your own childhood to sell to someone else. They tend to want one that's unique to them. That's why if you ask Star Wars fans under 30, they tend to like the prequels a lot more than folks my age, and of course they do, those movies came out when they were impressionable and they felt of that time.
 
One thing I would add is that JKR has said that she sees any buy-in or participation with the HP franchise as an endorsement of her views. I’m not saying you have to agree with her, but that *is* what she thinks.
That's a terrible take on her part - is there a source for that? Was it basically in response to someone talking about boycotting? Just curious about the context. I hate "either 100% with me or against me" sorts of statements.

That's unfair (from either side) to wrap up "supporting or not" the HP franchise as 100% a referendum on her views. I disagree with her views and actions, but if I saw some kid in an HP Halloween costume I wouldn't want anyone to go up to the parents (or worse the kid) and either say "So you are a transphobic bigot" or "Glad to see you hate those freaks too" or whatever.
 
They definitely will notice. Films from even 10 yrs ago look different in style and editing, not to mention fashion (including costuming, costuming has a style too). You can tell a movie was from the 80's 90's 2000's or 2010's from just small clips simply by the look of stuff in frame. It's not necessarily something people consciously notice, but something they can feel and the kids will know it's older.

I do think they want to keep monetizing it and I don't necessarily think it'll work now, not because HP is old or because of Jo, but because there's new stuff that young kids are into that is their own. It's hard to repackage your own childhood to sell to someone else. They tend to want one that's unique to them. That's why if you ask Star Wars fans under 30, they tend to like the prequels a lot more than folks my age, and of course they do, those movies came out when they were impressionable and they felt of that time.
There's also basically a mini-generation between the prequel and sequel trilogies that thinks of Clone Wars as their Star Wars. And I don't know if Star Wars is really going to be forever, it feels like younger people have drifted away from it more and more with each successive generation, but it's also a lot easier to keep it going when you can just find a different part of the timeline and some new characters so a generation feels like that Star Wars is theirs. You can't really do that to the same extent with Harry Potter, so even beyond the Rowling baggage I think there's maybe a barrier to entry there for new media. It's also unlikely successive HP adaptations are going to be wildly different tonally or stylistically from what came before, because modern content doesn't really do that unless it's an expectation, so the character's not going to get what Batman has with an entire spectrum of different approaches. And those different approaches are another way to get a new generation feeling like this version is theirs, distinct from the ones enjoyed by their lame parents with the Gryffindor scarves.
 
I’m sure it comes from a tweet. It was a few years ago, I believe.
Many tweets. She regularly says this. If you follow her statements online in any capacity you can see how any time someone criticizes her bigotry she's like "80 million people going to Potterworld proves I'm right." She's a fucking awful human being to the core.
 
"80 million people going to Potterworld proves I'm right."
This alone, even if were just her preferring Pepsi to Coke, would make her absolutely insufferable. The fact that she's co-opting her fanbase to prove her bigotry objectively correct is disgusting.
 
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