Super 7 Ultimates Thread

It's another edition of everyone's favorite YouTube show! I listened to it so you don't have to. Here's some tidbits:

-Brian says the response to TigerSharks has been good and he anticipates wave 2 will be a presale and not a preorder.
-He has plans for D&D, but he hasn't been able to get approval for them (I got the impression he meant internally).
-He doesn't know what the future holds for TMNT with the new master license holder set to be announced at Toy Fair. He says he doesn't know who it is, but he hopes they can go back to the vintage homage stuff. He is optimistic they'll be able to continue with the license, but acknowledges that it's all up in the air right now. He did mention something like "with all the licenses being up," so maybe, as someone suggested, all the licenses expire with Playmates and will be up for renegotiation. Wave 3 for 2003 is coming soon and he said there's a surprise in there "no one saw coming."
-They are going to Toy Fair (I'm legitimately surprised they are) and will have reveals there.

 
Misfit said:
It's another edition of everyone's favorite YouTube show! I listened to it so you don't have to.
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Not all heroes wear capes (salute emoji)

Misfit said:
-He has plans for D&D, but he hasn't been able to get approval for them (I got the impression he meant internally).
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I really wonder if after the movie tanked and they botched the 50th anniversary if Hasbro quietly sunsetted the D&D sublicensing and NECA and Super7 are both just left with fans saying “but can we have more?!?!” and no real answers they can give since throwing Hasbro under the bus is how you get left out if the license opens again.

Misfit said:
-He doesn't know what the future holds for TMNT with the new master license holder set to be announced at Toy Fair. He says he doesn't know who it is, but he hopes they can go back to the vintage homage stuff. He is optimistic they'll be able to continue with the license, but acknowledges that it's all up in the air right now. He did mention something like "with all the licenses being up," so maybe, as someone suggested, all the licenses expire with Playmates and will be up for renegotiation. Wave 3 for 2003 is coming soon and he said there's a surprise in there "no one saw coming."
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A surprise no one say coming… competent engineering and paint work?!?!

Also this is a man who had the Simpsons licenses publicly ripped away from him in disgrace and then looked Veebs right in the face and said “well maybe once the new license holder is settled we can get a chance to do our thing (narrator: they didn’t get that chance)”

He’s not gonna tell Veebs Wave 3 of 2003 Turts is the sunset because he’s not that kind of guy to open and forthright with information.

Misfit said:
-They are going to Toy Fair (I'm legitimately surprised they are) and will have reveals there.
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Maybe it’s like last year and they got a both selling cookies again
 
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-He has plans for D&D, but he hasn't been able to get approval for them (I got the impression he meant internally).
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...but...but wait. He said that I...er, I mean *Ronald* wasn't telling the truth about him losing his power over there.

If he was the head honcho, why would he need approval?
 
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Mint In Boks said:
I really wonder if after the movie tanked and they botched the 50th anniversary if Hasbro quietly sunsetted the D&D sublicensing
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I don't know. His excuse for no D&D wave 2 was lack of sales on wave 1, right? It seems like there are options between throwing Hasbro under the bus and saying your stuff failed.

But now that you mention it, it is weird that NECA and Super7 both stopped at the same time.

In any case, I welcome even a hint of getting more of the cartoon D&D line. I hope that pans out.
 
I seem to remember someone at NECA saying the first versions they released were just a way to get more use out of the molds they created for the updated TOY looks they eventually did, and didn't really have anything firmly planned past that.
 
Misfit said:
-Brian says the response to TigerSharks has been good and he anticipates wave 2 will be a presale and not a preorder.
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I am left wondering how many times Brian has ever either chosen to remain silent about pre-sales when asked, or has outright said 'sales were not good.' Seems like sales are ALWAYS good until a line is cancelled. As if asking the guy running the toy company if his toys are selling is, in fact, worthless.


Misfit said:
-He has plans for D&D, but he hasn't been able to get approval for them (I got the impression he meant internally).
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Lol.
Either option is hilarious. If he can't get approval from WotC/Hasbro, it's literally ONLY because they think the product sucks and embarrasses them. Otherwise, they just actually do not care that much.
If it's internal approval he lacks, it's because a group of dudes gets to boss around the 'owner' and tell him his ideas are stupid and won't meet sales targets.
Now, it's worth pointing out that if Rick is correct about the profit margin on S7 product (and I believe he is based on even what I know about profit margins from other companies), then it's unlikely he's suggesting things that would LOSE money so much as things that just wouldn't make the points other people want to see. It's still totally BONKERS that he's unable to win anyone over with his fuckin' RAW animal charisma.


Misfit said:
-He doesn't know what the future holds for TMNT with the new master license holder set to be announced at Toy Fair. He says he doesn't know who it is, but he hopes they can go back to the vintage homage stuff. He is optimistic they'll be able to continue with the license, but acknowledges that it's all up in the air right now. He did mention something like "with all the licenses being up," so maybe, as someone suggested, all the licenses expire with Playmates and will be up for renegotiation. Wave 3 for 2003 is coming soon and he said there's a surprise in there "no one saw coming."
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No one saw a TMNT character coming in a TMNT line? Well, okay. Let's see.

I'll grant, it must suck for him to try to hype Wave 3 of the 2003 stuff while having no actual choice but to admit any future waves are not a certainty or even necessarily -planned- right now. But let's be honest with ourselves - if that was not information already out there, he would absolutely lie about it.
Also, he lied about vintage homage stuff being off the table before, since he's responding to the change of master license holder as a potential way back in for those homages. Which means the CURRENT holder stopped it. Like we all said.

Honestly, I just want the new holder to let them do their homage figures so we can get Heavy Metal Raph. I'm so fucking angry that Super7's typical dicking around left us with ONE Turtle un-made from that line. All so.. what... we could get that fucking basketball one? Fucking imbeciles.

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-They are going to Toy Fair (I'm legitimately surprised they are) and will have reveals there.
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The reality is that they don't have a choice. Sales are in the toilet. Consumer confidence is in the toilet. Confidence from retail partners is in the toilet. If they don't show up somewhere and do something to make people excited - Super7 will collapse under its own weight. As it deserves.

At least being at ToyFair - an industry show - proves the lie, once again, about them being some kind of MTO boutique company. I fucking hate that people still buy into them being 'just a little guy selling directly to the fans!' when their shit is carried at fucking TRU, Amazon, BBTS, and every goddamn comic store and toy store in the world. I cannot abide liars, and this massive bit of dishonest marketing is enough to make me wish God existed so I could pray to him that Super7 would go out of business and Brian Flynn would lose every penny he's ever earned and spend the rest of his life barely above poverty.
 
We're learning of the new licensor of TMNT at Toyfair?! Hasbro or Mattel I guess? Both did crossover lines recently enough that could be decent tokens in pitches. I hope it's somebody that can make better toys than Super 7 or Playmates, at the very least.
 
Hasbro feels like the one I’d bet on of the two. They’ve been taking on more licenses recently and Mattel is gonna be busy with DC these next couple of years


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Super7 just dropped a list of new licenses. Most of them don't interest me much... and most if not all are destined for ReAction... but the two I'd consider buying as Ultimates are Invincible and Visionaries.

We already knew about Invincible.... but Visionaries in the Ultimates line would be a lot of fun. Intersted to see if they announce any plans or if its just the license announcement for now.
 
I don't know anything at all about Visionaries, but I could be talked into getting their leader or whoever for the 80s Saturday Morning Round Table that's been building up.
 
Niko (protozoalord) said:
We're learning of the new licensor of TMNT at Toyfair?! Hasbro or Mattel I guess? Both did crossover lines recently enough that could be decent tokens in pitches. I hope it's somebody that can make better toys than Super 7 or Playmates, at the very least.
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Blake Wright of Toy Collector magazine in one stream said he knows who it is and in another a ToyTuber (I forget which one, I probably posted it in the Playmates thread) said Blake told them it's Mattel. I'm not sure if that was supposed to be mentioned to anyone outside the conversation, but that's for them to sort out. Odds are though it's Mattel. One company I thought was a possibility, Jakks Pacific, is not going to be at Toy Fair this year so that would appear to take them out of the running. Hasbro, as one of the biggest toy producers on the planet, will always be a possibility, but they seem less focused on acquiring licenses these days and more focused on licensing out their own product.
 
It's Mattel.
Hasbro doesn't even need TMNT right now, between Marvel, Star Wars, Joe, and Transformers. They already basically own the 'Boys' aisle in any toy section. Mattel will have MOTU, DC, and TMNT.
Mattel and Super7 do have a history, but it's a bit up in the air if that's GOOD history or BAD history. Remember, they pulled the MOTU license from S7 so they could do Masterverse and Origins, instead of letting S7 continue with their cartoon-based MOTUC figures. It's certainly possible they'll tell S7 to screw off, depending on their own plans for TMNT.
I've also heard that Mattel would like to own ThunderCats outright. Make of that what you will.

Interestingly, ThunderCats is owned by Warner, who owns DC. Warner has already licensed out DC stuff to Mattel......


Can't wait for Super7's Visionaries line to be 20 times more expensive, less articulated, and less detailed than the original figures.
 
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